Panda_Saurus_Rex Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Likely something suuuuper useful like Relentless. Alternately, "If you field this formation all Scouts in your army have WS/BS 4 and all Dreadnoughts get 2 Attacks added to their profile." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Relentless on the tacticals would be pretty cool actually Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrne Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just think of the worst rule and that will be the formation bonus. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Relentless on the tacticals would be pretty cool actually Specially when it costs 100+ points because there has to be a TDA Captain, right? Forgive my cynicism. It's a good rule for Tacticals to have just not a great way for them to get it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Right, so it's rolling it 375 without upgrades and it's more likely to be circa 500 when we're finished tooling it up. Odds the rule being good enough to warrant spamming the Formation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Slim to none would be my guess Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Assuming that, like all other SC boxes, the special rules offered only work on units from the Formation and, as with other examples of TDA leaders from the SM and CSM boxes, those rules are proximity related: 9 tacticals in a Drop Pod and hope your Baal catches up? Just shy of 500 points depending on how hard you go on wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Assuming that, like all other SC boxes, the special rules offered only work on units from the Formation and, as with other examples of TDA leaders from the SM and CSM boxes, those rules are proximity related: 9 tacticals in a Drop Pod and hope your Baal catches up? Just shy of 500 points depending on how hard you go on wargear. Or Rhino. Could combat squad and opt for the BBQ load out... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 You would be leaving Karl/the Captain behind, no? TDA can't embark on a Rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Right, so it's rolling it 375 without upgrades and it's more likely to be circa 500 when we're finished tooling it up. Odds the rule being good enough to warrant spamming the Formation? Assuming you run with 10 men - 305 for 5 tacticals, naked baal, captain in TDA. I really, really hope the rule applies to the baal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Good catch. I was obviously on about a teleport homer... *whistles* Xenith: really pointless if it doesn't... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The Necron Formation does nothing for the Triarch Stalker involved. As much as it would be cool for the Baal to get some lovin' I think we'll all just be settling on a good deal for some models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-soul Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well - the box is great. The most brilliant thing in this - rhino-chassis. So with some skills - you have a rhino, a razorback with TL-assault canon, a predator with H/B sponson and autocanon or just Baal predator. Not to mention all the tasty BA bits coming with Baal. And it's the first start-collecting box that have this rhino-chassis kit. But on side of rules I think it would be some of this (bad scenario) +1 Ini on charge, fleet, stubborn (Normal case) +1 ws, reroll to-hit, reroll to wound (Rousing from coffins scenario) +1 Attack, relentless, rending, prefered enemy. Bad thing is that Baal is just there to be awesome model and zero synergy from formation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The Necron Formation does nothing for the Triarch Stalker involved. As much as it would be cool for the Baal to get some lovin' I think we'll all just be settling on a good deal for some models. I too, don't think there will be some Baal "Rule", i think that those one may come with the next Codex and should rise the value of the Baal Predator. For exemple, i easily imagine that the Baal Squadron Rule may be Shred. (Also, it wouldn't be impossible that, given the recent BA 30K fluff, the 40k Blood Angels may achieve to obtain "Heavy Assault Canon Pattern" for their Baal Predator, giving a little more Range or Shootings, and "Heavy Flamestorm Canon" with the Torrent Special Rule. All of this would make sense, be balanced, and bring a little more uniqueness to the Baal Predator pattern that is Unique to the BA Legion/Chapters.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs_evo7 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Getting this box for sure. The tac box is super useful and i don't have karl or a baal pred Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 You can never have too many tactical marines, note the delicious bits that they bring with them. I need a flame storm cannon Baal and I can work with the Karlean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Well... I have deathstorm, spacehulk, a smattering of old stuff my brother didn't want anymore... Might get this to fill it out into a nice looking army... the extra Karlain might end up converted into a black templar tho... lol. But I'll have to build another terminator captain to use the deathstorm and getting started formations simultaneously, or just use a terminator from space hulk... for fluff reasons... and because I can do what I want! Don't judge me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Just think of the worst rule and that will be the formation bonus. Furious Charge. Wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4422943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 OK, Worst rule that GW might Actually give a formation like this... How about 'Suppressing Fire' - Any unit that takes a hit from the Baal Predator cannot fire Overwatch at the Tactical Squad. Alternatively in Deathstorm Karl's formtion bonuses included passing out Fearless and Counter attack so maybe that again? Personally I'd prefer 'While the Captain is alive all template weapons in the formation are Torrent'.... Works for both a Heavy flamer tactical squad and a flame Baal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 "All vehicles in the Formation gain Counter Attack within 6" of Karlean" ... ... ... ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Maybe it'll be calling like a super turn where you can move, run, shoot and charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I've been thinking something along the lines of giving the unit counter attack and the Baal Pred preferred enemy. Don't know why.Another option would be Obj. Secured and heightened senses, for something like +1 to wound rolls and something akin to skilled rider on the Baal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 "Reconnaissance Mission: All tactical marines in this formation have WS/BS 3, but have a permanent 6+ cover save." In actuality, I think it'd be cool to see something like the captain nominates a unit and anything in the formation fires at the nominated unit with +1 BS and if they charge them, gain +1 WS. I think it's not game changing, obviously, but it would fit the description and fit in nicely to BA play style. Maybe also add something like rerolling charge dice or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I could get behind that 'suppressing fire' rule, but then the Captain will simply have to be named Cyril Figgis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-soul Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 There is a combat limit - so any special rule should be close-combat oriented - To fight harder is nowhere near a torrent flamer weapons at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323170-hypothesising-a-ba-start-collecting-set/page/3/#findComment-4423412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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