01RTB01 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Morning all, Rad grenades -1 to opponents' toughness in combat. If you had two squads of destroyers in combat would it be -1/-2? I'm presuming it's not cumulative but I'd like to check. Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 No they don't. But rad missiles or deathguard relic does Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4452551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Thank you :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4452585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 The way they are written they actually do stack I believe. Each unit that assaults causes a -1T, characters in a unit become part of the unit so they don't count as extra units but two units of destroyers will reduce T by 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 IIRC, Rad Phage is the only radiation rule that does not stack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 That's very cool from a Blackshield (outlander) perspective, as pretty much every squad leader can (I say must!) have rad grenades. Instadeath by chainaxes :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Charge 4 units into a single T4 Squad and Instagib them all with 0 Toughness? ....I ain't 100% about that life, yo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Yes, that crossed my mind too, but I thought it couldn't be possible. I don't know if a unit can be instakilled that way, however T6 MCs would be dealt with much easier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 RAW the effect does stack... But I will never be that guy and stack it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 If you reduce T to 0 the unit is automatically slain IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Or strength I believe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 ./looks at his ravenwing list ./laughs like a psychopath Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Do you really want to charge multiple units into a single enemy though, unless it's a uber deathstar there's no point trying to get so many units into one combat surely? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4453953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 if it means killing them sure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4454055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Wait so Rads.... DO STACK?!?!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4454269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Where does it say they stack guys? As I was pretty sure they didn't. Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4454298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 They don't unless the rules specifically state they do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4454355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 They don't unless the rules specifically state they do. Where does it say this? I'm putting together an Ashen Claw force and am curious about this. I just want a definitive answer, so I can go read it and show it to others if need be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4465968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Alright. Things that have Rad that stack: Rad Grenades and other rad grenades Rad Grenades and Rad Phage (the rule) Rad Grenades and the Barbaran Thurible Rad Grenades and a Rad Furnace Rad Grenades, the Barbaran Thurible, Rad Phage and Rad Furnace for a Total possible of -4T with each successive unit equipped with Rad grenades charging in increasing this by -1. Only works on a multi-wound model that survives being wounded by the Rad Phage Weapon. Rad weapons that do not stack: Rad Phage with itself Rad Furnaces with itself Barbaran Thurible since its a unique relic (???) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4465972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Double rad grenades is pretty sick combo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4465977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Also, do note that if you reduce a unit to 0 Toughness, they're automatically removed from play, iirc. See that T10 GMC? Do the above -4T Combo and pile on 6 more Rad Grenade units and *poof* gone. That 50 Man Fearless Rending T3 Cultist Blob got you down? 1 Rad Furnace Unit, 1(2) Rad Grenade Units and a Barbaran Thurible and *poof* gone before they could even swing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4465979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Cool, I was thinking the grenades stacked. The wording implies it for sure. I couldn't find anything suggesting otherwise and this came up in conversation earlier today at my flgs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4465983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 The big one that often confuses is that rad grenades do not stack when a character with them joins a unit with them. They then count as just one unit charging and only confer -1T. If the character does not join the unit and charges separately then you have two units charging which gives a -2T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4466047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Hope the fix that. As if deathguard needed more help... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4470778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Hope the fix that. As if deathguard needed more help... Are DeathGuard supposedly strong then? I was under the impression they are rather mid tier in heresy circles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324249-rad-grenades/#findComment-4470853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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