simison Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 This is my favorite reaction to the Ward news... http://thegoodthebadtheinsulting.blogspot.com/2016/08/matt-ward-returns-to-games-workshop-40k.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4464782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I don't think I've ever read a more magnificent article. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4464842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I don't think I've ever read a more magnificent article. Agreed. He took my Black Templars and he...he rolled them into Codex Space Marines!(wipes axay tears while looking as copy of Codex Black Templars) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4464846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Why can't they try to get Amdy Chambers back? Why Matt Ward???? Wwwwwhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Because they've killed off Fantasy, so he can't mess that up again any more, but say what you like about his fluff, his rules are awesome in 40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4464888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Because they've killed off Fantasy, so he can't mess that up again any more, but say what you like about his fluff, his rules are awesome in 40K. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/520/721/593.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4465101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Again. Fluff sucks. Rules = good. Competitive, diverse armies? Check. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4465302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 We can agree that you get better quality fluff from the Star Wars universe than from Ward, but I don't see how the 5th Edition Grey Knights Codex was anything more than- ++STATEMENT REDACTED BY ORDER OF THE EMPEROR'S HOLY INQUISITION FOR EXCESSIVE USE OF UNHOLY LANGUAGE++ I have to say that for the most part I thought he did ok with the Blood Angels Codex. Deepstriking Land Raiders seemed a bit stupid, but I didn't have any major complaints... Apart from Necron and Blood Angel alliances. By the blood of Sanguinius! Why Ward, why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4465398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Because he could do it and GW let it happen? ;) Got no clue about rules, but the GK codex was my second one (my first being the 5th ed Space Wolves). Was quite entertaining to say at least. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4465728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) ups double post, sry Edited August 12, 2016 by Kelborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4465731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 Reduced Murderous Strike from 15 points to 10 points. If anybody spots anything else that needs tweaking, let me know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4506915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I just have a question, how many points for One Use Only on a weapon? If I'm blind and it's already there, feel free to send me a digital punch in the face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 A One Use weapon should never really cost more than 5-10pts total regardless of how powerful it is (for ranged weapons at least). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 I agree, a One Use Only should come with a hefty point decrease. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Depends. For the most part, a One-Use weapon is usually found in the form of a Bomb or Missile on a flyer and they do mostly cost 5-15 points each. However, there are some clear exceptions such as the Macro Bomb Cluster upgrade which is an S8 Ap3 Apocalyptic Barrage (3D6) Bomb, Dreadstrike Missiles (S10 Ap2, Ordnance 1) or a Votrex Grenade (ITs a vortex). Edited October 2, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 If you start giving either of those out I reserve the right to slap you. In person :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) If you start giving either of those out I reserve the right to slap you. In person http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Luckily, the first two are only found on Super-Heavy Flyers and the last one is an Apocalypse-Only upgrade http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Edited October 2, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Ok, thank you all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4518192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 For units should each non statline increase be for every 5 models? So for a unit of 5 models to gain +1 toughness it is 50 points but to gain murderous strike its just 10 points aka 2 points per model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4521822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 I don't think so. I think I added a 5 point charge per unit upgrade. In the Grave Stalker thread and Irob Bears thread, there should be some examples. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4522022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hello, I'm back again. What do we think would be an appropriate point cost for giving the Daemon Weapon rule to a piece of wargear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4522077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 That's +d6 attacks right? And take a wound on a roll of a 1? I'd probably rate that at around +15pts (about 3.5 attacks worth of increase, with a small reduction for the potential of rolling a 1) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4522083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I don't think so. I think I added a 5 point charge per unit upgrade. In the Grave Stalker thread and Irob Bears thread, there should be some examples. So a unit of 10 models really pays 1/2 of a point each while a unit of 5 pays 1 point each? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4522118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Cheers Grifft. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4522153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't think so. I think I added a 5 point charge per unit upgrade. In the Grave Stalker thread and Irob Bears thread, there should be some examples. So a unit of 10 models really pays 1/2 of a point each while a unit of 5 pays 1 point each? That is how I handled upgrading unit attributes. I'm not sure if I had an additional cost for the special rules. Keep in mind, the more I use the calculator, the more I seem to develop Hesh's eye for points. There are a number of silent factors that affect cost or don't. This is just to give a basic idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4523378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Fair nuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324327-rules-point-calculator/page/2/#findComment-4523871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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