Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I would never risk such a heavy hitter as Eidolin who could have easily got off a charge. I don't disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Hellex, do you think a Caladius would have worked better than several Pallas? Aye, I just read the bat rep too. To me, the rules for the Pallas are just underwhelming. I actually think the Legion Javelin is downright better, providing a lot more shoots at the expense of a fair bit of survivability for a similar cost. Unless you are aiming to KO Rhinos, a single S8 AP1 shot is quite underwhelming for 85 points, even with Exoshock. The Adrathic version is, however quite interesting. S6 AP2 Armourbane is (at least in my mind) statistically better than the single blaze cannon shot. Average roll is 13 and while you aren't aiming to explode, you'll strip HP much better. My thoughts were along the same lines. I was thinking less vehicles but a Caladius with the heavy blaze cannon might be the way to go. Less dakka but higher chance to kill? Needs testing I suppose. End of the day, unless you're shooting at AV10 (imo, even 11 is pushing it) the results are going to be varied with the blaze canon. AV10 means a 2+ then a 2+ is at least some sort of HP damage. If you fluff it then... Well you have a 2HP vehicle. In a squadron, outflanking could be good. But in that case I'd rather the Adrathic as you get more shots that are more useful again any kind of target. Ultimate artillery killers, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think that EC player could possibly have run a more efficient list, and I don't mean that in a WAAC way, but it sounded like stomping someone who just got the BoP box set plus a character. I think I will reserve judgement for how high tier the golden bananas are until they face metacized lists. Hellex_The_Thanatar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Yeah when I play the alpha legion guy that runs 6 quad mortars, having instant death is going to be spiffy. depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hivey Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Crazy question, but can custodes take garro in the list? Could be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 After doing some comparisons, I'm of the opinion that Hetaeron probably won't get access to paragon spears, unless they get a points bump up to 20 ppm. That's the same price a sheild-captain pays for it, and he pays the same amount as hetaeron for other wargear (gauntlets/talons, pithite/adrathic). If that's the case, would sentinels with sentinel swords/praesidium shields be suitable counts-as for paragon blades? Or should I swap for a more suitable blade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 It might be a bit confusing as you'll have regular sentinel blades in your force. They can take sentinel blades as well, so it could cause issues. I'd just use slightly fancier power swords. Runefyre 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If the ec had had any javalins or bikes it would have been different. But besides Spartan and a couple characters and the blades it was pretty basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 At this point we may as well wait until Adepticon or the summer to really get to see custodes against actual lists. I have some theories myself but I won't be able to play against them for sometime. Some of the options might seem a little otp, but eliminating their scoring units as soon as possible, while keeping your own alive is probably going to be the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Haven't read through every post (sorry) but remind me : When would you take a Hetaeron Guard over a regular Custodian or Sentinel? Obviously one is more expensive and has better stats but apart from filling the FoC slots, is math or some other reason to support taking one over the other? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 For the ability to dish out obscene amount of ap1 or 2 hits. They are our most reliable terminator and armor killers. Taking them in 3 to 5 man groups with 31st least one shield and paragon blade for ending challenges asap and two with only fists for you know 10 str10 ap1 mastercrafted powerfist hits. Wiped a Spartan and a contemptor with a 3 man squad of them yesterday. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Haven't read through every post (sorry) but remind me : When would you take a Hetaeron Guard over a regular Custodian or Sentinel? Obviously one is more expensive and has better stats but apart from filling the FoC slots, is math or some other reason to support taking one over the other? Thanks! Hetaerons are more efficient on a wounds/cost ratio. Regular Custodes are 27.5 points per wound, Hetaeron are 23.3 and gain an extra attack as well. Their weapon options are also better, a mix of Paragon Spears/Blades and Solerite Gauntlets is a dangerous unit even if your only running 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hetaeron seem like the best value along with the jet bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 What about Terminators vs Sagittar for a shooty unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Terminators for their flamers for clearing hordes. Sagittarum for cool factor hugely disappointing that they don't have relentless of some sort. Having to stand still to use their heavy bolters is blah. Edited February 28, 2017 by Hellex_The_Thanatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Any thoughts on the glaive as a counter to custodes? I realize they have the larger coherency but AP2 deflagrate could be pretty scary. Also gives you ignores cover haywire for all the flare-shielded skimmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Any thoughts on the glaive as a counter to custodes? I realize they have the larger coherency but AP2 deflagrate could be pretty scary. Also gives you ignores cover haywire for all the flare-shielded skimmers. I mean....most low are painful. I would be more worried about a knight pophyrion than a glaive. Runefyre 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Where are people getting right handed powerfists from to model Hetaerons with solarite gauntlets and shields? Cheers Vogon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klisof Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The tartaros terminators in BoP come with 5 right handed powerfists. There is one in the IF Templar brethren set as well, but that might be a bit small. Vogon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Vanguard Veterans, Sanguiniary Guard, Death Company and the old Devastator set. I'm also converting some up to wield them in their off hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 What about Terminators vs Sagittar for a shooty unit? The Saggitar are SO SO COOL. Coolest models IMO. ...But a Heavy Bolter? Really? They needed AP3 to be relevant. But, you bring them for the death laser, which is awesome. The way to use them is similar to the Pallas, pop them in a transport and outflank to crush the side of an enemy. The TDA however basically get similar shooting though, with twin-linked death rays (no more gets hot!) on top of survivability and melee prowess. Plus the option for flamers, which are better than the heavy bolter component... Jackalwolf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Are you guys doing anything modeling wise to differentiate between Hetaeron and your basic guard squads? I was thinking maybe adding cloaks to anything included as Hetaeron. Also, this army is really tough to decide on elites choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I like the idea of the cloaks. Also, potentially FW might do an upgrade kit for Hetaeron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Aye, there was a full resin Custodes knocking about at the weekender I think... Though he is practically identical to the plastic one behind. I'm expecting FW to do the Melta and Adrathic spears too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Those aren't mostly identical they are identical. They are the base sculpts likely done in resin as a concept before gw decided rightly they'd be too popular and plastic molded them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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