simison Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) This is the official thread to debate, discuss, and ultimately chose the successor to the Stygian Jackels. Here's where we stand so far. Auxilia Ring - Talonair, Apothecary Meros, SanguiniusReborn, Lord Thorn, & Bluntblade have withdrawn their candidacies. Generalripphook is offering the Sentinels of the Emperor, specializing in scout forces and mobile firepower. Ally Ring - Awaiting PM responses from Apologist and A D-B. Sete is offering the Judicators, a Knight Legion that specializes in orbital drops, assault troops perhaps? The warrior culture is fine, while the Strategic Tendency could use some development. Xeno Ring - Reddragon is offering the Brazen Bulls. I actually have some serious reservations about this legion, mainly the bull sacrificing. Even with the Emperor a cross between his Noblebright self of 1st Edition and his latter more sinister portrayals in later editions, I don't know how this is allowed for any period of time. I think the Brazen Bulls, as they are right now, make an excellent Lost Legion, but need tweaking to be one that avoids being purged. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Greek Influences) TheBlindPrimarch is offering the Paladins of Midterra. This is a third, knightly legion, but the Primarch is blind, which exceeds our limit. Furthermore, the strong psyker presence in the legion is unwelcomed, and I'm not sure how the low visibility fighting works with the Grave Stalkers nearby. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Blind Primarch) http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Psyker Legion) http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Loyalist Legion) ckpmax1108 is offering The Devoured. Honestly, I'm much more impressed by the quick post above than what I was seeing in the thread. Having a jungle Thai legion could offer a trifecta with the Japanese, graceful Lightning Warriors and the Chinese, methodical Warriors of Peace. One problem is that we have several hit-and-run legions as it is, which is what guerrilla warfare is. On the other hand, that might make them a more suitable replacement for the Jackels. Nate is offering a Loyalist, Germanic Knight legion as well. While he's offering everything on the table, some ideas he had was a legion that emphasized a mailed fist, in the form of terminators and dreadnoughts. Basically, Nate is a huge walker fan and would go in that direction. Potentially, it would be a siege assault legion, breaking down walls, while the Fire Keepers are known for building them. Not sure if that intrudes upon the Godslayers, but again, he's flexible. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Bad Strategic Tendency) helterskelter has offered the 'Borg Marines' Cryptix has offered the Lost Cartographers, Carthiginian Pirate Legion with emphasis on an honor code, power broadswords, and volkite. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/nuke.gif (Pirate faction covered) Legionnaire Ring - Grifftofer has a Fleet-Based, Mechanicum-loving, Flesh is Weak Legion Drakzilla has offered a 'techno-barbarian, John Blanche-inspired' Legion Sigismund has offered a Persian/Scythian Legion Extra - SanguiniusReborn has offered a legion concept of 'Deus Ex-esque cybernetics-heavy' Legion. Here are the rules we have: No more psyker or Pariah legions. We have four of the latter and three of the former. No more blind Primarchs. Andezo has already claimed that role. Overall, as one might guess from the restrictions, the project, given its maturity, is not simply accepting legions without question. My goal is to fill out missing niches in our universe. And yes, I did send an invite to A D-B. I was going to end the open enrollment period when the last Ally and Auxilia had replied. We're waiting only on Talonair, Apologist, and A D-B. Of course, I don't actually expect A D-B to answer, so how long should we wait for his potential response? Preferences Unrepresented Warrior Culture Unrepresented Strategic Tendency Currently Represented Warrior Cultures & Strategic Tendencies Lightning Bearers/Harbingers - Japanese [Warrior Culture/WC] - Divination Battle Psykers [strategic Tendency/ST] Space Wolves - Norse Vikings [WC] - Shock Assault [TS] Crimson Lions - Anglo-Saxon Barbarian - Loyalist Berserkers Void Eagles - Mix of M2 Militaries and Naval cultures - Masters of Void Warfare Halcyon Wardens - Mix of WW2 German, Hindu, and Greek - Defensive Warfare Iron Bears - Techno-North American Natives (Michigan Area?) - Heavy Assault Berserkers of Uran - Prison culture - Brutally exploiting weaknesses Godslayers - Eastern European - Warp Suppressants Warbringers - European Nobility - Combination forces of Marines and Army units Fire Keepers - Hebrew - Siege Defenders/Builders Thousand Sons - Egyptians [Warrior Culture/WC] - Psykers Supreme [strategic Tendencies/ST] Wardens of Light - Korean/Western Knight Mix - Pariah Martial Artists Eagle Warriors - Aztec - Heavy Assault with sacrifices Dune Serpents - Arabic - Chemical Warfare Ninjas Grave Stalkers - Pacifica? - Terror The Drowned - Cthulhu? - Naval warfare Scions Hospitalier - Greek/Atlantean - Water-based medics The Predators - African Tribal - Rapid Assault/Scout forces Edited November 2, 2016 by simison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) What kind of draft should be presented? Any relevant topics that should be addressed? I will be offering a Witch Hunting Legion. Judicators. Obviously Knightly inspired, extensive use of Hexagrammic Wards, hatred on psykers, loathes the mutant, Preference on Greatswords and Flamers. Edited October 31, 2016 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 My suggestion is that we give everyone a week. During that time those who have put forwards an idea should write a few paragraphs to cover their concept. At the end of the week we can then maybe make a poll thread to vote, or whatever other method of decision making we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 A week from that point on we got all responses? Sounds reasonable and fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 ADB? Wait... Aaron Dembski-Bowden? We've contacted Aaron Dembski-Bowden? *gets incredibly excited* I'm in fact going to see him at Black Library Live in a couple of week's time. As for my legion, I'll get something written up and displayed here within the week. Should we all use a template to display our legion data or just do it as we like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Back from breakfast. While I like the idea of giving everyone a week to hammer out some details, one of the applicant's biggest appeal is its offer for the project to make the details. So, if we were to go through with this, one applicant will be getting work from within the project itself. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Some details I do want. Legion name, Primarch name, Strategic tendencies, planned allegiance of Primarch and Legion, for starter's. ADB? Wait... Aaron Dembski-Bowden? We've contacted Aaron Dembski-Bowden? *gets incredibly excited*I'm in fact going to see him at Black Library Live in a couple of week's time.As for my legion, I'll get something written up and displayed here within the week. Should we all use a template to display our legion data or just do it as we like? And the ninjaing has already restarted on me. If he doesn't respond to my PM, you should totally mention the project to him and ask him what he thought about it. Should be good for a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Second Grifft. A week to create a legion, fit it into the canon is hard enough. @Sim: can i suggest another restriction? Please no loyalty change. We habe andezo and somehow the wardens. I tend to stick with demus. No flip flops anymore. Choose your side and stay with it until the bitter end ( you can always have an insurgo or later an antonym cohort of your legion) Points which could be shown Origin Primarch Tactics and strategy. Warfare Specialty How do they fit into setting Role in the insurrection What makes the legion unique? If another legion seems quite similar, then what differs your legion from the other? Sum your legion up in one sentence ( pitch it baby) Edit: Grats Sim, you ninja'ed me. And Meros: He is actually on this board(bnc in general) amd AD-B is very active. Edited October 31, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Since I already know Demus is against flip-flopping, do we have a third for locking allegiance? Also, what's the difference between these three: Tactics and strategy, Warfare, & Specialty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Oh well, you can combine warfare and strategy and tactics. Specialty I thought more of the like: my primarch has green skin and is always angry. Or if the primarch sings the enemies fall asleep. Or they are all swordmasters, which of course will be transfered.to strategy and tactics. Edited October 31, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Talonair has affirmed his candidacy. That completes the Auxilia ring. That leaves Apologist and A D-B before I lock the open application phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Well I can start: Legion Name: Judicators Primarch Name: Sebastos Strategic Tendencies: Orbital Bombardment followed by Orbital Assault. Void Combat. Warrior Culture: Monastic Knightly. Keepers of forgotten lore. Elite units specialised on the use of Hexagrammic and later on Pentagramic Wards. Allegiance: Insurrection, Renegade. Not following chaos. "The wicked wither in our presence" Edited October 31, 2016 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I third the locking of allegiances. We don't have a preference for loyalist or traitor at this stage, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 There is a minor preference for either Traitor or Renegade, but we can compensate for a new Loyalist Legion. And allegiances are now locked. Choose your fate wisely, Primarchs. Or don't because you have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) You can delete my offer. I'll speak with Griff as his concept just sounds like what I had in mind. Maybe he has some space for some steampunk design. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/msn-wink.gif Edited October 31, 2016 by Kelborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Let it be known that Kelborn has withdrawn himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Just listing here that my application will be a Loyalist legion. Already have an idea, just need to work some details out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Sete, commenting on your edit, you've reminded me that we have four potential allegiances: Loyalist, Traitor, Renegade, and Suzerainty. Could you explain the modification to your allegiance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Sete, commenting on your edit, you've reminded me that we have four potential allegiances: Loyalist, Traitor, Renegade, and Suzerainty. Could you explain the modification to your allegiance?Well, Sebastos hates psykers. Icarion, the Insurrection leader is a psyker aswell. For now Sebastos has bigger fishes to fry like the Emperor, so joins the Insurrection out of convenience, but upon knowing of the chaos curruption, by the warp creatures, he shuns them. But I need to read all of the lore before going into details. He is a bitter character forced into captivity for decades tortured and experimented on by a powerful psyker. As a consequence of this he never fully developed all of his potential as a primarch. He is just barely taller than a marine in Terminator armour. Traumatized full of hate and anger, he just wants to end the warp and everything related. He also hates mutations, being forced to fight terrible and imperfect clones of himself while in captivity... Edited October 31, 2016 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Alright, as an additional note, we have two legions with Greek influences (Halcyon Wardens & Scions Hospitalier). Therefore, we've already had one request that we avoid any more Greek-influenced Legions. And I am available to answer questions throughout this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Updated the previous post. No worries will have some medieval inspiration. Edited October 31, 2016 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Interesting, I wonder if Nate would yield to your concept, Sete. Both of you are walking the same path at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Just watch out,, that the anti warp, destroy all don't get to close into predators turf. but considering it...you want to destroy all psykers to end the warp threat (have fun with it^^) and the predators want to kill all humans to destroy the warp. do I see some form of teaming up here`?^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Well I avoided reading previous Legion lore so I would not be influenced. But well it's just an application that I will further develop. I am sure other applicants will have good ideas aswell. I don't think they would team up. The extermination of the species is not an objective. It's freedom is. Edited October 31, 2016 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 HA! Tell that an Ork. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Meros Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Let this be a brief overview about the Legion I present to you: Legion Name: Pre Insurrection - Heralds of Destiny. Posy Insurrection - Heralds of Darkness Primarch Name: Junir Askrux Strategic Tendencies: Dirty fighting, unconventional and dishonorable strategy, use of Xenos modification on specialist troops. Warrior Culture: Scientific, and ignorant of any sense of honour or valour. Allegiance: Renegade - Undivided or possibly Tzeench depending on how we want things to turn out. 'If war is the immovable object, we are the unstoppable force.' - Primarch Junir Askrux Edited October 31, 2016 by Apothecary Meros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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