Applications for Legio XVIII

[Sete]

HA!

Tell that an Ork. ^^

Well he ain't a xeno lover. And now the loyalists are in bed with xenos :P

[simison]

Since I'm going out of my way to slowly state what each of the current legions' strategic tendencies and warrior culture, I'd appreciate if the applications mentioned what warrior culture they emphasize.

Edited October 31, 2016 by simison

[MikhalLeNoir]

Meros, how about a good english name? Instead of Hephaestus: Junir Blacksmith or something like that. Hephaestus points to the greek style.

[simison]

Also, what do people think the Space Wolves' Strategic Tendency is? The Executioner bit only applies when they're fighting other Legions. Maybe Massed Assault? 

[Kelborn]

Mass assault, heavy infantry, annihilation tactics, something like that

 

The TSons tendencies are already known. :)

[simison]

Mass assault, heavy infantry, annihilation tactics, something like that

 

The TSons tendencies are already known. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png

 

Oh right, we have the little quick pages. Found it. Shock Assault it is.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Massed use of Despoiler units.

 

@Sim: Today is your Day... ninja'ed me again

Edited October 31, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[simison]

You're still ahead by two, Mikhal. 

[Apothecary Meros]

@Mikhal Fair enough, I actually forgot that was a Greek name at all.

 

@Sim My post has been edited with the relevant information.

[simison]

@Mikhal Fair enough, I actually forgot that was a Greek name at all.

 

@Sim My post has been edited with the relevant information.

 

Thank you, that new last name is certainly unique. 

 

The 'War is Science' is a popular theme for some reason.

[simison]

Skal, how would you define the Void Eagles' warrior culture?

[Sete]

Updated my post with relevant information aswell.

[simison]

Updated my post with relevant information aswell.

 

Thank you. I like that quote.

[Apothecary Meros]

Well, they don't consider war itself as a science, just that they have an urge to be ever evolving and learning from the universe around them, even if that means utilising Xenos or even possibly chaotic forces.

[simison]

So, what separates them from the Dark Mechanicum, thematically?

 

Redd, what do you think of my description of the Iron Bears' Strategic Tendency?

[Skalpynock]

Skal, how would you define the Void Eagles' warrior culture?

Modern military + naval cultures

[RikuEru]

Because I'm on a roll, while diving into the depths of your whole projects today, and I want to throw in a curveball of my own idea:

 

Why not a Primarch that lived on his world rather unknown, influencing and uniting it indirectly - through hints, politics, rarely showing up as a wise advisor or using a handful of trusted "allies" to lead the people in a way he designed. ...atleast up until he was found or shortly before that (natural catastrophe, where he stood up and revealed himself to guide his folks, to help prevent damage and aid their recovery?).

So less Leman Russ or Horus or Magnus, who became the most prominent men and highest leaders among their people - more the hidden master, who lives as a hermit mostly. A name that is known only to a few people worldwide and even fewer know him directly.

 

That way he mimics another Aspect of the Emperor: How the Emperor guided and protected humanity BEFORE he revealed himself indirectly and well hidden.

How Malcador acted as his advisor, kept an eye on all involved and selected a few trustful agents.

 

Make him neither pariah, nor psyker - a rarity in a universe where both are more prevalent!?

 

Generally, diplomacy is Key in bringing worlds under compliance - convincing them with the benefits the Imperium can bring in all regards.

 

His way of leading is found in his legion and their way to fight and deal with enemies (MOST of the time atleast) aswell.

Think Alpha Legion, but less... "nefarious", in a way.

 

A planet is found and doesn't immediately fall into compliance, because the

Tyrannic leadership opposes Terra and the Emperor?

The Legion provides and secretly aids the people to fight that oppression themselves, so they can overthrow it and freely join the Imperium. (So they are not the saviors, raining down from the heavens, but rather secret advisors and suppliers to the common men)

 

If need be, they can influence and sabotage the government directly. (To give the rebellion the upper hand)

Ultima ratio being Assassination missions of !some! leaders.

But in the end they would want the people of that planet to gain their own victory and glory.

 

Same with corrupted or worlds who oppose the Emperor/Imperium.

Instead of annihilating them through invasion or Exterminatus, they would cut them off from supplies, sabotage the infrastructure and influence their leading circles to despise each other - so the planet dies through infighting and causing their own downfall.

Same with Xeno cultures who might be a threat (or could evolve into one).

If definitely necessary the Legion is deployed to finish of the last surviving enclaves or specimen. (Like all others)

 

That way far less planets get destroyed or become burned down wastelands. ...which makes it easier to use them (and their assets or ressources) for the Imperium at large.

 

The Legion's way to deal with things is shown in their numbers and structure:

The Legion as a whole is small compared to others (more like the SW were in canon!?)

They have all regular units, weapons, armors and vehicles at their disposal - just like their brother legions.

 

But there are some specialized vehicles, who can stealthily carry weapon or ration supplies to those in need in their armouries aswell.

Civilian (looking) aircrafts and even some small starships - of all shapes and sizes - can be found among their Fleets, too, again serving their tactics.

 

Astartes specialized in subtlety, sabotage and training are a specialty for this Legion. (...makes sense, right?)

So very elite, well-trained, perfectly equipped scouts, who can additionally ignite and train and guide rebellions.

 

Techmarines and the Fleets of allied Forgeworlds, that accompany the Legion at all times, rapidly (re)build and reinforce worlds that were cleansed, freed themselves or complied, bringing them up to prime imperial standards - so that the populations, ressources and productions of the world quickly fuel the Great Crusade.

 

Fighting alongside their brother Legions they take a "reinforcing" role. They gain detailed and useful intelligence, finding weakspots for their brothers to strike (depending on both the enemy and the specific legion's strength). They secure supply lines (weapon stations, landing zones, harbors) and noteworthy assets (STCs, Libraries, Scientific personnel, data, etc) - while on the other hand sabotaging and distracting the enemy.

 

 

...because of all of this, the Primarch is seen by his brothers similiarly to the Emperor, in a way.

While his expertise, knowledge, diplomatic skills, philosophy and charisma are admired by and welcome to his brothers...

...some may not like his way of fighting.

...some may not trust his skills.

...some may think he's hiding in secrets.

...some may not like how he judges if a world can be saved or if it needs to be cleansed.

 

So... *rubs his fronthead*

...that is all I can bring up right now. (Names and more detailed things coming later, if needed.)

Maybe something you can consider - don't refrain from straight denying it if you think it doesn't fit.

[simison]

It's very interesting, but half of it is covered by Alex when he's in Diplomat mode, just much more visible. 

[Sigismund229]

My application for Legio XVII

 

Legion name: Riders

Primarch names: Atheas and Taxacis, "The Twin Flames".

Strategic Tendencies: Hit&Run, Shock Assault, Infiltration(?).

Allegiance: Traitor(god undecided) or Renegade. Possible two way split.

Home world: None, fleet based.

Culture: Scythian/Achaemenid&Sassanid Persian

 

 

What else do you want sim?

Edited October 31, 2016 by Sigismund229

[Apothecary Meros]

So, what separates them from the Dark Mechanicum, thematically?

Not an awful lot really, that's the idea ;)

 

Edit: My legion now has a name. Meet the Heralds of Destiny legion!

Edited October 31, 2016 by Apothecary Meros

[~Drakzilla~]

Ooh, great and unique idea Riku! Sounds almost like a cross between Alpha Legion and Raven Guard.

[RikuEru]

It's very interesting, but half of it is covered by Alex when he's in Diplomat mode, just much more visible.

Hrm, ok. Ideas on how to differentiate it - maybe in a way so they are similiar (brothers and all that), but still different, if you analyze them well enough?

Maybe I have to re-read some of Alex's characterization again. I did that some time ago.

 

 

Ooh, great and unique idea Riku! Sounds almost like a cross between Alpha Legion and Raven Guard.

Yes, that is something I wanted to aim for. Without them being overly supersneaky or "It was a Trap!", of course.

...spice it up with a bit of benevolence towards humans (Salamanders), but with the drive to just hand humans the things and skills they need to elevate to new heights by their own doing (The vision of the Emperor).

Edited October 31, 2016 by RikuEru

[simison]

 

It's very interesting, but half of it is covered by Alex when he's in Diplomat mode, just much more visible.

Hrm, ok. Ideas on how to differentiate it - maybe in a way so they are similiar (brothers and all that), but still different, if you analyze them well enough?

Maybe I have to re-read some of Alex's characterization again. I did that some time ago.

 

 

To be honest, it's completely understandable that you haven't gotten that vibe from Alex. While I've planned to show Alex's Magnificent Bastard side when it comes to politics, I haven't given many examples of it. But I had planned on escapades were Alex conquers planets without firing a shot, tyrants overthrown by their inferiors through the power of words, and so on. Becoming Warmaster also reduces that side of Alex as he becomes less diplomat and more of an administrator. 

 

Meros, appreciate the blunt answer, but should we be taking away potential material from the Dark Mechanicum and giving it to the legions?

 

Sig, I'm not sure. What other traits do people want to see at this early stage?

[Apothecary Meros]

Alright, fine. I'll get something else made.

[simison]

Alright, fine. I'll get something else made.

 

I'm not trying to pick on you, Meros, but it's something that was pointed out to me last night. Except that critique was aimed at the 'Borg' Marines, another idea I'm wary of because it cuts into the Mechanicum's area. You just happened to be the first one to debut.

 

On that note, I'm also not in favor of Twin Primarchs. I'm not sure any theme can best utilize twin primarchs as a theme than the Alpha Legion did. Because twins necessarily divide the height of the Primarchs, which perfectly fits the Alpha Legion's deception in hiding their Primarchs. In addition, the twin Primarchs, utilizing their similar features are able to use it as a tool of espionage. 

 

Outside of deception, how could one really exploit Twin Primarchs to their maximum potential? I'm doubtful, but willing to see an example to prove me wrong.