Really.... more Salamanders....

[The Red Thirst]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/november/sons-of-the-forge-ebook.html

So I dont know how long this has been on BL for (im only checking on the Horus Heresy news bi-yearly now as nothing seems to be happening. Excited for MoM though) but really? Really Black Library?? How many more times can we get the same 3 authors to do the same 3 stories (more of less) about the same 3 Legions.... its getting old.

 

I also noticed that this was coming up: 
http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/january/virtues-sons-sins-father-mp3.html

Now imagine my sheer excitement, being the super Blood Angels fanatic that I am, at seeing that thumbnail of Azkaellon pop up on my screen, then image the immediate crushing blow to the gut when realising "oh.... just another re-release, why bother"
 

You have 18 Legions with 18 different plotlines and narrative arcs you could write about and publish BL, not 5.

/rant

[Taliesin]

Sons of the Forge looks quite interesting to me, and not that similar to another story. Which one are you thinking of that covers the same ground as this one seems to do?

[Runefyre]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/november/sons-of-the-forge-ebook.html

 

So I dont know how long this has been on BL for (im only checking on the Horus Heresy news bi-yearly now as nothing seems to be happening. Excited for MoM though) but really? Really Black Library?? How many more times can we get the same 3 authors to do the same 3 stories (more of less) about the same 3 Legions.... its getting old.

 

I also noticed that this was coming up: 

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/january/virtues-sons-sins-father-mp3.html

 

Now imagine my sheer excitement, being the super Blood Angels fanatic that I am, at seeing that thumbnail of Azkaellon pop up on my screen, then image the immediate crushing blow to the gut when realising "oh.... just another re-release, why bother"

 

You have 18 Legions with 18 different plotlines and narrative arcs you could write about and publish BL, not 5.

 

/rant

No story arc is better than having a terrible one *cough*SpaceWolvesandNightLords*cough*

[DarkChaplain]

I'm looking forward to Sons of the Forge. Will be quite interesting to see the artifacts getting hidden, and might give hints for 40k's future. Kyme's Artifacts story was great and filled in some necessary blanks about the Night Lords as well.

 

The audio drama bundle seems really unnecessary, yes. Both stories have been read as proper audiobooks already, so making them audio dramas is nothing more than "fanservice" at this point. Still, it'll be an opportunity to hear Amit, Azkaellon, Khârn and Lucius again, so there's something positive right there.

[b1soul]

I don't mind Sallies

 

What I do mind is Kyme...

[Angel_of_Blood]

I just want to see somebody else write about Vulkan and his legion. But more so, yes, I want more on the other legions. 

[Tymell]

I just want to see somebody else write about Vulkan and his legion. But more so, yes, I want more on the other legions. 

 

This for me too, really. I don't dislike Nick Kyme's writing as much as some seem to, it's more that hardly anyone else has done the Salamanders. Mostly I just want to see someone else have a go. Same as with Gav Thorpe's Raven Guard (though I do like his RG more than Nick Kyme's Salamanders).

 

I'm really hoping Vulkan's Primarchs series book is done by someone else, just to see a different take.

[DarkChaplain]

Well to be fair, Kyme's been planning for a trilogy of Salamanders novels across the Heresy from the start. That's the arc he was going for, whereas other authors skip and hop around between Legions and plotlines more. If that's the niche he is working on and the plot he is trying to weave, that seems fine in principle.

 

Sons of the Forge is a novel of around the The Beast Arises length (though he also called it a novella before twitter called him out on it), and sets up more plotlines for Vulkan 3 and his 40k series, so who else was realistically going to write that?

 

As for the Primarchs books, I'm fairly confident that someone else will tackle Vulkan. It seems like they are trying to get new authors on Primarchs, like Guymer on Ferrus (his favorite) rather than Kyme, Haley on Perturabo (rather than McNeill or French), Annandale on Guilliman (instead of Abnett or any others who contributed to Imperium Secundus).

Yes, Wraight got Russ, but that also features the Lion who he hasn't touched yet, and he's got the Wolves nailed so well, any other decision would've seemed silly by comparison. And McNeill doing Magnus in tandem with The Crimson King was unsurprising.

[Red_Shift]

I just find Kyme unreadable - and I've read Goto.

[Knight of the Raven]

I didn't dislike the Tome of Fire trilogy other than the space wolves-level theme overdose in the narration, but then again I love Equestria Girls, so my taste is kind of invalid.

Of course, there was also my reaction to spoilers from his Horus Heresy plotlines...:

I'm at the point I consider Dan 'respecting the lore is for losers' Abnett would have done a better job.

I love the cover picture for Sons of the Forge though.

Edited with a better .gif.

[bluntblade]

Well, Abnett's prose is leagues ahead, if nothing else. My reaction to Promethean Sun was confusion at how a combination of Salamanders, who I like, and dinosaurs, which I was mad about as a child, wasn't compelling to me.

 

Also... Holy :cuss I've just realised that Vulkan's reaction to turning Ibsen into Caldera pretty much matches what Mortarion says about burning Terathalion in Daemonology. That's when you know something's gone badly wrong

[HeritorA]

 

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/november/sons-of-the-forge-ebook.html

 

So I dont know how long this has been on BL for (im only checking on the Horus Heresy news bi-yearly now as nothing seems to be happening. Excited for MoM though) but really? Really Black Library?? How many more times can we get the same 3 authors to do the same 3 stories (more of less) about the same 3 Legions.... its getting old.

 

I also noticed that this was coming up: 

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/january/virtues-sons-sins-father-mp3.html

 

Now imagine my sheer excitement, being the super Blood Angels fanatic that I am, at seeing that thumbnail of Azkaellon pop up on my screen, then image the immediate crushing blow to the gut when realising "oh.... just another re-release, why bother"

 

You have 18 Legions with 18 different plotlines and narrative arcs you could write about and publish BL, not 5.

 

/rant

No story arc is better than having a terrible one *cough*SpaceWolvesandNightLords*cough*

 

add salamanders and you will get it :)

 

I don't mind Sallies

 

What I do mind is Kyme...

That...  is.... a....universal..... truth!

 

I just find Kyme unreadable - and I've read Goto.

another... cough.... universal... truth

[Augustus]

If MoM comes out as book 41, is this a novel getting a number designation?

[Tymell]

If MoM comes out as book 41, is this a novel getting a number designation?

No, Garro is 42, this one will be unnumbered like the Tallarn books. Someone (DarkChaplain I think) suggested Promethean Sun, Scorched Earth and Sons of the Forge might eventually be put together as a Salamanders anthology, which I think sounds quite likely.

[Augustus]

Thanks!

[HeritorA]

 

If MoM comes out as book 41, is this a novel getting a number designation?

No, Garro is 42, this one will be unnumbered like the Tallarn books. Someone (DarkChaplain I think) suggested Promethean Sun, Scorched Earth and Sons of the Forge might eventually be put together as a Salamanders anthology, which I think sounds quite likely.

 

Another audio anthology is #43 as someone mentioned from Open Days, then hopefully a Crimson King as #44

[DarkChaplain]

They'd need to produce a bunch of audio dramas to fill an anthology for the mainline series at this point. We only have Children of Sicarus & The Heart of the Pharos, both of which will be bundled on CD as indicated by the 2017 HH Calendar. Beyond that only Garro isn't featured, and he gets #42. Excluded are the audio adaptations of The Either and Grey Talon since they're part of the Meduson collection and I'm not sure we will see them in print without the rest soon.

[Thurservor]

I wonder why with all this reasonable pointing out of "some legions getting too much love compared to others" kind of discussion, no one actually mentioned Blood Angels. Which to be fair, are by far the least fleshed out legion in the HH story arc so far, and that is a terrible waste of potential right there.

 

Also as to the Kyme's writing, it is hard to disagree that BL publishes lots of his work compared to others in HH series. This might be combination of two factors in my opinion, first being the fact that he appears to be writing fast, especially compared to McNiell who tends to take eons before he completes a novel, and second factor being the fact that some legions (other than Salamanders), were screwed up so badly that they are beyond repair plot-wise.

 

By the latter I mean this Dark Angel time travel madness, and Raven Guard sticking behind enemy lines doing nothing, while their Primarch looses a duel with lab-forged mutant on some random prison world...  

 

Salamander's story was mediocre for me and 5/10 at best so far, with exception of Deathfire being a lousy attempt to do Odyssey kind-of-story in wh40k  setting. Which means that he is placed well above the terrible authors like McNiell, Swallow or Thorpe, and beneath great authors like Wright, Annandale and Dembski-Bowden. The latter group writes slower than Kyme, so I'd rather have him published than the first group. 

[DarkChaplain]

Its funny, McNeill actually was one of the fastest writers they had, before the changes in the upper level and his departure to take up a day job with Riot.

Nick Kyme's work is mostly short fiction. He has two HH novels out, and two stand alone novellas, with a short novel and a finale to his Vulkan trilogy coming - that's hardly a lot. He still has less books in the series than Abnett, who hasn't written for BL in years.

 

Your downplaying of the Corax vs the New Men/Astartes Superior is also far off the mark. He wasn't duelling anybody there - it was a whole bunch of pretty much Primarch-sized superastartes with heavy weaponry which disabled his armor to the point of paralyzing him. He was baited into a trap that he fell into due to his own arrogance, something that almost every single Primarch is guilty of one time or another.

[Mellow]

Any other Primarch could have won in that situation except Corax. Not through ability or skill but simply because Corax is a whinge bag.

 

For me he went from being awesome on Istvaan when he gave Lorgar a good seeing to to bring terrible in the Novel Corax.

[DarkChaplain]

Then I don't think you really understood the situation he was in. He was completely outmaneuvered because he let his guard down, got betrayed by one of his own sons who he should never have elevated in the first place, and confronted by a bunch of impressive Fabius creations - some that actually worked and were superior to astartes and had massively superior equipment. He didn't act according to his own axioms, got overconfident and arrogant, dismissing any need for support. The Raven Guard traitor knew him extremely well, since before the coming of the Emperor - he knew how Corax would act, and planned accordingly.

 

There is nothing really surprising about how things turned out there. None of the Primarchs is infallible, and they tend to be too up their own arses. That isn't something unique to this depiction of Corax, but also present with Lorgar, with Russ, with Perturabo, with Mortarion, with Horus, everyone. Heck, Guilliman almost got assassinated by Alpha Legion in his own office, after almost dying to Kor Phaeron. Peturabo got devastated by Alexis Polux and co at Phall, and got confounded at Tallarn for ages.

They're very flawed beings, and Corax is a good example of that. Damaged to the core by his own failings and ambitions.

[Tymell]

As DarkChaplain says, it's an over-simplification to say Corax just lost to "lab-forged mutant on some random prison world".

 

A description which also, funnily, fits Corax himself pretty well :p

[mc warhammer]

so awesome just = winning every fight? bit of a yawn really.

 

i think we could do with more primarch beat downs and humblings esp for guys like angron. apparently he got slapped around a bit in his gladiator days and was in danger of dying during his rebellion. let's see that

[Knight of the Raven]

Being undefeated is the only thing Angron has going for him, don't take that from him.

[Loesh]

so awesome just = winning every fight? bit of a yawn really.

 

i think we could do with more primarch beat downs and humblings esp for guys like angron. apparently he got slapped around a bit in his gladiator days and was in danger of dying during his rebellion. let's see that

 

Night of the Wolf wasn't a humbling? In fact, Night of the Wolf wasn't THE humbling?

 

No, I don't care that Angron beat Russ in a fight, this is one of the rare things where ill say a character(Specifically Lorgar) is completely right. No other Legion but his would of allowed their Primarch to be put in that position.