HeritorA Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 so awesome just = winning every fight? bit of a yawn really. i think we could do with more primarch beat downs and humblings esp for guys like angron. apparently he got slapped around a bit in his gladiator days and was in danger of dying during his rebellion. let's see that Night of the Wolf wasn't a humbling? In fact, Night of the Wolf wasn't THE humbling? No, I don't care that Angron beat Russ in a fight, this is one of the rare things where ill say a character(Specifically Lorgar) is completely right. No other Legion but his would of allowed their Primarch to be put in that position. We talking about the same World Eaters, aren't we? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4562740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I have the same reaction everytime I see a SW novel. Really more SW? Ofc 40k wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4563932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Being undefeated is the only thing Angron has going for him, don't take that from him. When ADB enjoys writing about you then you've got a lot going for you. *clutches picture of Dorn muttering* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4564060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Being undefeated is the only thing Angron has going for him, don't take that from him. When ADB enjoys writing about you then you've got a lot going for you. *clutches picture of Dorn muttering* Hahaha - so true Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4564405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Isn't this a Salamanders related thread? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4564566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Vulkan lives there ya go. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4564567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I can't decide whether to get it, I've gotten every limited edition novella/novel up to this point with the intention of selling them as a collection but I don't know if I can bring myself to buy any more especially when I'm taking up a new hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4564812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Is this actually a new story or something that has been in a novella or will end up in a novella at some point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4565676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Even as someone who likes to have complete sets, I can tell you that 30 dollars for an ebook is crazy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4566011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Is this actually a new story or something that has been in a novella or will end up in a novella at some point? Sons of the Forge is brand new. It will very likely be collected with Promethean Sun and Scorched Earth in a mainline book in the next two years though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4566115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Currently Nick Kyme is on Black Library Live talking about the last novel in the trilogy- sounds like it will be called "Old Earth." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4566322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Was there much detail given re Old Earth? I have a real attachment to Vulkan, and do enjoy Kyme's Salamanders. I am really hoping that Vulkan has his moment of glory to shine before The Master of Mankind and butcher some traitor / demon filth along the way! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4566803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Not a ton, other than it will be Vulkan fulfilling his destiny. No real clues what that is (other than the ones we already have). Kyme also said it will end an Iron Hands storyline, and I am not sure which one that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4566888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 There are only two major Iron Hands story lines that jump to my mind, Meduson and the crew of the Sisypheum which is more a mix than just Iron Hands. Kyme's Novella length story Feat of Iron was a great tale focusing on Ferrus and many of his captains, including the now infamous Meduson. Quite looking forward to this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4567617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm hoping Meduson ends up in safer hands, personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4569235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Was there much detail given re Old Earth? I have a real attachment to Vulkan, and do enjoy Kyme's Salamanders. I am really hoping that Vulkan has his moment of glory to shine before The Master of Mankind and butcher some traitor / demon filth along the way! Not much detail other than what Caladan posted, but it seems that this is the big one for the Salamanders, and Vulkan in particular. He also said it was the last Vulkan book in HH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4569459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Struggled through Sons of the Forge. IT IS A HORRIBLE DIRTY DOZEN NOVELLA. Gods of the Warp why did I read it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4571523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Well, I just finished Sons of the Forge myself (had to make way for Master of Mankind ), and it was okay. Not great, but I'd say an improvement on Vulkan Lives and Deathfire. On the negative side, Nick Kyme's prose still lacks something. It's just not that engaging. The story also feels like it could be a bit more focused. While the artefacts are always present and a part of the story, they feel like they fall into the background for a lot of it. Maybe on this point it was just a case of different expectations going into it. But more positively, the characters here are definitely better than in Vulkan Lives or Deathfire. I felt Deathfire was a step up in that regard, and this one more so. These ones do actually feel like distinct characters, not the most complex or best developed, but still, I actually remember these ones, which is more than I can say for Vulkan Lives. Unfortunately, it feels like he doesn't really do enough -with- these characters and their traits, they never really get opportunities to shine or develop, instead just going through the motions to move the story along. The middle section of the book in particular descends into the "outnumbered Salamanders fighting desperately" thing we've seen plenty of times already. Overall I wasn't especially moved either way by Sons of the Forge: I didn't feel disappointed or annoyed by it, but nor did I ever really feel thrilled or particularly invested. I don't think it'll win anyone over, if you don't like Nick Kyme's Salamanders this won't change that, but I do also feel it's a step up in quality from the last two main offerings. Here's hoping Old Earth can continue that trend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4573265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, I just finished Sons of the Forge myself (had to make way for Master of Mankind ), and it was okay. Not great, but I'd say an improvement on Vulkan Lives and Deathfire. On the negative side, Nick Kyme's prose still lacks something. It's just not that engaging. The story also feels like it could be a bit more focused. While the artefacts are always present and a part of the story, they feel like they fall into the background for a lot of it. Maybe on this point it was just a case of different expectations going into it. But more positively, the characters here are definitely better than in Vulkan Lives or Deathfire. I felt Deathfire was a step up in that regard, and this one more so. These ones do actually feel like distinct characters, not the most complex or best developed, but still, I actually remember these ones, which is more than I can say for Vulkan Lives. Unfortunately, it feels like he doesn't really do enough -with- these characters and their traits, they never really get opportunities to shine or develop, instead just going through the motions to move the story along. The middle section of the book in particular descends into the "outnumbered Salamanders fighting desperately" thing we've seen plenty of times already. Overall I wasn't especially moved either way by Sons of the Forge: I didn't feel disappointed or annoyed by it, but nor did I ever really feel thrilled or particularly invested. I don't think it'll win anyone over, if you don't like Nick Kyme's Salamanders this won't change that, but I do also feel it's a step up in quality from the last two main offerings. Here's hoping Old Earth can continue that trend. Kyme simply does not evolve as an author. His writing style absolutely hasn't changed since his FIRST novel. It is lacking depth and totally uninspiring. After several books You do hope as a reader that he will improve. And what do you get? Vulkan lives. Ok, one more chance - Deathfire. Ok - the last chance, he will do it right this time. Erggggg.... nope - still the same crap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4575408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That seems to contradict Tymell's feelings on the matter. He said every further novel has been an improvement over the last, and I'd say that Deathfire was better than Vulkan Lives as well. If Sons of the Forge continues that trend, even if it does not play a big role as far as the wider Heresy is concerned, it looks like clearly, Kyme has been improving. Nevermind his short works for the Horus Heresy tend to be pretty good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4575457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That seems to contradict Tymell's feelings on the matter. He said every further novel has been an improvement over the last, and I'd say that Deathfire was better than Vulkan Lives as well. If Sons of the Forge continues that trend, even if it does not play a big role as far as the wider Heresy is concerned, it looks like clearly, Kyme has been improving. Nevermind his short works for the Horus Heresy tend to be pretty good. You can't call deathf.... an improvement. Hundreds page of emo kids suffering - argggg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4575604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I can, and I do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4575740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I can, and I do. That's true heresy! At least you are not putting 'it' in one list with Path to Heaven or Master of Mankind :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4576589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Just wait until you hear that Old Earth is one of my most anticipated books to come before the siege! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4576648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah32 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Its really high up on my most look forward to upcoming Horus heresy releases! Perpetuals Tybalt Marr vs Meduson Vulkans destiny Can't wait Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327522-really-more-salamanders/page/2/#findComment-4576670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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