Kais Klip Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Gentlemen, thank you for coming. We don't have a lot of time so I'll cut to the chase. I got caught off-guard by the excerpt from Master of Mankind, and the assertion that our glorious master doesn't even breathe. Scandalous. I wasn't expecting much from the book, seeing as I'd rather leave the Heresy to the Astartes, but gears began to spin in my mind after the couple of pages shown. The lady makes a fair point; the thing doesn't even breathe, I'm dissapointed in my golden-clad namesake, and perhaps Narthan Dume didn't do anything wrong. My actual questions are thus; 1)How much of the Emperor is man/mutant/psyker? 2) What would we be left with if we surrounded the Emperor with a ballroom full of Silent Sisters? Is He just a man/perpetual with prodigious psychic powers, or is He so far removed from even the Navigators, Astropaths and sub-humans to not even be considered as part of the species? Furthermore, we know that Magnus best mirror's the Emperor's "true" self, so do we know what happens to Magnus if his psychic powers are cancelled out entirely? Could we even cancel out their power's entirely, say with the collars they use on alpha-plus psykers (bearing in mind we had one witch girl in Praetorian of Dorn that laughed off her shackles)? To the same point, what would happen to Horus if we threw him in the very same ballroom, post-Molech that is. What I'm trying to figure out, is the exact nature of the power the trio share, and the subtle differences in each; The Emperor, Horus Ascended, and Magnus. Bonus round; Lorgar Transfigured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Emps isn't a man-man. He's a creation of a thousand shamans, a gestalt entity at the extreme peak of Humanity's potential. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Magnus is no closer to the emperor than any of his brothers. They all possess some of his aspects. The fact that Magnus is second to the Emperor alone also means nothing without scale comparision. If the Emperor is the Bolt of psychic powers and Magnus a state level champion, there is no chance of contest. As far as I understand it, the Emperor is not a man. Not in a physiological sense, and it seems that he does not draw/tap into the warp, but feeds on it. It his part of his essence. So the connection probably cannot be severed. With that in mind, I doubt blanks would manage to have a deahtly crippling effect on him or that he could be bound through any mortal means. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 The only thing we can reliably infer is that Emps is not a man, not of the warp, but entirely "Something Else", to the point the daemons call him "The Anathema". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Magnus is no closer to the emperor than any of his brothers. They all possess some of his aspects. The fact that Magnus is second to the Emperor alone also means nothing without scale comparision. If the Emperor is the Bolt of psychic powers and Magnus a state level champion, there is no chance of contest. As far as I understand it, the Emperor is not a man. Not in a physiological sense, and it seems that he does not draw/tap into the warp, but feeds on it. It his part of his essence. So the connection probably cannot be severed. With that in mind, I doubt blanks would manage to have a deahtly crippling effect on him or that he could be bound through any mortal means. Then how can He maintain psysical stability in the material realm, if what you are saying is that He is closer to the warp gods than anything else. Why do they refer to him as the Anathema, if the power's he possesses are so alike (alike may be the wrong word). Surely Blanks are the zero to the warp's one, in binary speak. Concerning Molech, is it correct that Horus misinterpreted the situation, and the Emperor merely siphoned the extra power to concoct extra warp works, in the sense of the primarchs, rather than to "top up" himself in a sense. Edit: assuming that the old shaman fluff is no longer relevant, if he is so far post-man (was he ever a man?), why does he concern himself with humanity? Does he even care for mankind itself, or is he handholding it only to starve his divine competitors at bay from himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 There is no linear path in usage of the warp. Some beings (astropaths and navigators for example) specialize in various applications and degrees. Thus, the Emperor is not the same necessarily. I never said he was close to the Chaos Gods, which are even less defined that the elEmperor in essence and function. All we know is that they reside in the warp and feed on sentient being emotions. That's about it outside of imagery. The fact that he walks in the material plane might be a strange duality. It prevents him from falling pray to the chaos gods touch in the warp, which is why they turn and empower Horus to attack him in the physical realm. If there are varying degrees of psychic power, so there must be for blanks. The Emperor is like nothing else galaxy has seen and it is safe to say that a powerful enough counter part does not exist, otherwise it would have been enlisted by chaos long ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Even if the Emperor is a being of the Warp in a way, it would not prevent him from permanently taking form in the material realm. You can look to Malal (Malice) as another example of a warp-born entity (a god) that has a physical embodiment in real space. The circumstances may be different (may, we don't actually know), but the end result would be the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4566907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamy248 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Concerning the Sisters-Emperor question, I would say that he is not affected by them (at least not greatly, anyway). He has loads of Sisters in his palace, and can still psychically function. They may hamper his abilities slightly, maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327991-master-of-mankind-and-a-sister-of-silence/#findComment-4567033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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