WIP - slow - 171st Cadian Airborne (Kasrkin)

[duz_]

Thanks the insight! That's what I figured.

[MithrilForge]

@KasrkinRyu -

Well fancy this... i am actually going to be painting a 3rd party helmet (for my scions) tonight after work, the helmet will be white but i'm doing an orange face lense, would you like me to take some step by step pics explaining my technique and post em here for you?

the helm is similar in the sense it has a face plate -

cheers, Mithril

[KasrkinRyu]

@KasrkinRyu -

Well fancy this... i am actually going to be painting a 3rd party helmet (for my scions) tonight after work, the helmet will be white but i'm doing an orange face lense, would you like me to take some step by step pics explaining my technique and post em here for you?

the helm is similar in the sense it has a face plate -

cheers, Mithril

That would be amazing if you could. Id really appreciate that!

Thanks.

[MithrilForge]

well im about to head home from late shift   its 9;00pm Friday night,

ill get cracking on painting tonight but wont post till Monday morning.... it should be done by then 

 

cheers, Mithril

[KasrkinRyu]

well im about to head home from late shift   its 9;00pm Friday night,

ill get cracking on painting tonight but wont post till Monday morning.... it should be done by then 

 

cheers, Mithril

 

No worries mate! There is no rush. Thank you again and I hope you have a good weekend.

[MithrilForge]

Good Morning ,

i painted it up quickly but did a fast and simple version that won't take long but still looks effective on the tabletop -

1. i undercoated the heads white but for your black visors (you may want to use Celestra grey as your base to get an easier and better coverage of orange)

and then simply painted Jokaero orange in the visor/face plate, after that i washed around the rim of it with reikland fleshshade(shown on left helmet)

2. I then simply painted the lower 2/3 rds with troll slayer orange (not shown)

3. then i simply did a fine line of Yriel Yellow along the bottom of the right visor and through the middle of the band on the left(thinner visor)

Very simple and quick but will probably still look okay on the table top

anyways, hope it helped a little or made you think that it won't be difficult to do!

Cheers, Mithril

++ EDIT++ sorry for the average pics, they look better in real life

p.s. now iv'e done the helm i want to go and finish this squad

Edited April 3, 2017 by mithrilforge

[Glomshark]

 

That's a beautiful mini.

 

 

Brilliant. Ordered! With the addition of some Xenos scum!

 

 

Holy hell that mini os amazing! I'll have to order one now haha

 

I'm glad you guys like the mini! It really is a bit of a hidden gem. I'm sure you guys will do a far better paint job than me too, I'm looking forward to the results.

 

Another small update, the last of my items arrived from the UK today so I'm very pleased.

 

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n597/ikebukuro1/image1_2.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n597/ikebukuro1/image2_2.jpg

 

This will give me plenty to do for the rest of my spring break! I will probably have more updates soon.

The Emperor protects!

 

would you mind linking me to the miniatures page?

[Reyner]

Here you go. It's out of stock at the minute though.

[KasrkinRyu]

Good Morning ,

i painted it up quickly but did a fast and simple version that won't take long but still looks effective on the tabletop -

1. i undercoated the heads white but for your black visors (you may want to use Celestra grey as your base to get an easier and better coverage of orange)

and then simply painted Jokaero orange in the visor/face plate, after that i washed around the rim of it with reikland fleshshade(shown on left helmet)

2. I then simply painted the lower 2/3 rds with troll slayer orange (not shown)

3. then i simply did a fine line of Yriel Yellow along the bottom of the right visor and through the middle of the band on the left(thinner visor)

Very simple and quick but will probably still look okay on the table top

anyways, hope it helped a little or made you think that it won't be difficult to do!

Cheers, Mithril

++ EDIT++ sorry for the average pics, they look better in real life

p.s. now iv'e done the helm i want to go and finish this squad

would you mind linking me to the miniatures page?

Here you go. It's out of stock at the minute though.

Thank you for the wonderful guide, that was awesome of you to make it! Hopefully I will get chance to try it out soon. :)

Sorry for the lack of replies recently, real life has reared its ugly head. I will attempt to update when things are a little more settled.

Edited April 25, 2017 by KasrkinRyu

[M@verik115]

As much as I love your idea and execution, just some feedback.

Firstly the Kasrkin are front line troops filling the heavy armour grenadier role. 
They were never employed as drop troops (they were never trained in it and their equipment never allowed it ie the carapace armour is too heavy). 
They were there to supplement regular cadians on the front lines with slightly better equipment and training. 
Storm troopers were far superior to Kasrkin and quite different too. 
While Kasrkin were just regular soldiers who were better equipped and trained, Storm Troopers (Tempestus Scions now) were selected and trained from an early age to be Storm Troopers and were supplied with equipment that allowed them to deep strike and infiltrate. 
Think of it like this:
Kasrkin - Veteran soldiers with better equipment and training.
Storm Troopers - Special forces (SAS).

You might also want to look at the Elysian army lists for drop troop regiments as they do it really well. 

Overall dont take any of my criticism the wrong way, I really like your guys and your background, but the Kasrkin were never employed as airborne specifically because they were never trained for it nor did their equipment load out and weight allow it. 

[Hfran Morkai]

ADB's fantastic: "Cadian Blood" had a Kasrkin squad which operated out of a Valkyrie, pretty sure they dropped from it too at some points.

 

Then again the Sergeant at least was a dirty stim-junkie.

[M@verik115]

ADB's fantastic: "Cadian Blood" had a Kasrkin squad which operated out of a Valkyrie, pretty sure they dropped from it too at some points.

 

Then again the Sergeant at least was a dirty stim-junkie.

Yeah, but they didnt have grav chutes for insertions. 

I believe in Eisenhorn there was also a Kasrkin squad attached for a valkyrie assault on a daemon world. 

Either way Storm Troopers were equipped with grav chutes for airborne insertion, Kasrkin were not. 

[Hfran Morkai]

Yes I think I'm getting it back now, pretty sure in CB they rapelled from the doors. It's been a while since I've read the book. I stand corrected. :)

 

Do like what's going on here though, Kasrkin are prone my my favourite models from the range. Just a shame they're metal monoposes.

 

Keep up the good work. :)

[duz_]

I always hate when the truth gets in the way of a good story personally. ;)

Nice thing about the 40k universe is its literally open to any interpretation you want.

[M@verik115]

Like I said I love the execution and the story line. 
Not saying it cannot work lol. 

[MithrilForge]

While M@verik115 is correct fluff Nazi wise, from a modelling perspective Kasrkin models throw brown matter all over the look of new stormtroopers and i'd rather see them in the role they're given here, they just look way more cooler and more "SAS" style than the new spanish inquisition stormtroopers we have now  

seriously though, the only visible difference between Kasrkin and scions is a helmet... visually he can easily say they're cadian scions who have simply chosen the far superior and far cooler looking  "Cadian Brand"TM.       Helmet.

 

Cheers, Mithril

[KasrkinRyu]

Well I didn't expect a debate to kick off here haha. While I took on board everything that has been said and appreciate it all, I don't necessarily agree with it all. It is interesting to see everyone's point of view. For me personally "forging your own narrative" is a big part of this hobby. So whilst there has not been a Kasrkin Airborne unit yet, there is now, at least in my own 40k universe.

 

Well here is my view, this was pretty much my thought process when deciding to make this unit so perhaps it will help shine a light on the 171st.

 

My understanding is the Kasrkin are Cadian storm troopers. They are the Cadian equivalent to Scions, Kreig grenadiers etc. They are selected whilst still a white shield and from those early days are trained to be a Kasrkin. They are considered the best Cadia has to offer, and when Cadians are already considered some of the best guardsmen in the Imperium, that's saying something. I think originally they may have been conceived by GW Cadian veterans but from looking at all the fluff I can find on Kasrkin, to me it seems they have evolved into Cadian storm troopers.

 

In the fluff we already have mentions of Cadian airborne (1433rd Airborne), Catachan airborne (22nd Airborne Assault Group) so personally I feel there is no reason why Cadia would not have its own equivalent to a Scion airborne assault formation. I never intended my chaps to be coming down as drop troops on grav chutes like Elysian's or Harakoni's. Also, I have never come across any fluff saying that you cant drop with Carapace armour because its too heavy. The Harakoni's are famous for doing exactly that, they also happen to be on par with storm troopers training wise, maybe I should have picked them? haha.

 

My intention was for my lads to be fully air mobile in Valkyries. The name "Airborne", depending where you are from, does suggest paratroopers which in 40k equates to grav chutes. However, as can been seen from the two units I mentioned above that are Valkyrie equipped air mobile/air assault units they are still designated as "Airborne". So I chose to stick with the naming conventions of the existing guard regiments.

 

Hence the 171st came into being.

 

Emperors blessings to you all.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Well done.

[KasrkinRyu]

Greetings all,

Ive been out of the loop for a while due to real life needs. Ive been trying to catch up with updates and have become a little confused. I use battlescribe to play around with my army list and it keeps flagging up an error, I am not sure if this is an app error or a new rule. If I choose the Militarum tempestus regiment doctrine it no longer shows sentinels as a fast attack choice. Does this mean if I want to use sentinels Id need to use a separate detachment? Any insight would be great.

The emperor protects.

[duz_]

Hey Ryu! It has indeed been a while!

 

You are correct, in the new Guard codex MT's only get their doctrine if there are no other Regiments in the detachment.

Excluding those that specifically mention they don't effect regimental bonuses that is.

 

Of course depending on what your plans are you easily put them into an outrider detachment or other suitable one.

Add them into your main detachment if your ok losing the MT bonus

Or if its just a friendly game as your opponent if he's okay if you keep the MT bonus as long you don't get the IG regimental one too.

[KasrkinRyu]

Hey Ryu! It has indeed been a while!

 

You are correct, in the new Guard codex MT's only get their doctrine if there are no other Regiments in the detachment.

Excluding those that specifically mention they don't effect regimental bonuses that is.

 

Of course depending on what your plans are you easily put them into an outrider detachment or other suitable one.

Add them into your main detachment if your ok losing the MT bonus

Or if its just a friendly game as your opponent if he's okay if you keep the MT bonus as long you don't get the IG regimental one too.

 

Thank you sir! I hope to be a little more active again. Real life can be like the warp sometimes, days become months and you don't even realize.

[KasrkinRyu]

Afternoon all, just a little picture of how my chaps are at the moment. Added more fire power here and there after 8th dropped when points became a little cheaper. Only need to get 4 more things to complete my force. 1 more Valk, 1 more Sent, a Vulture gunship and 1 more basic kasrkin rifleman (I have a kasrkin flamer if anyone wants to do swaps)

The Emperor protects.

Edited March 18, 2018 by KasrkinRyu

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Good job. I especially like the Valkyrie.

[Pearson73]

Force is looking good, especially the aquila marking on the Valkyrie wings.

[Tallarn Commander]

They are coming along nicely. Looking good!