caladancid Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I was checking out the eBooks section, looking to complete the collection, and saw that Vengeful Spirit has gone up from 15.99 to 18.99. Has anyone heard that this will be the new going prices? Seems crazy that BL is continuing to increase eBook prices from the already high mark, I am hoping its been this way for a while and I just missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 That's news to me. What currency are you viewing the website in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 U.S. Dollars. Shows 18.99 for Vengeful Spirit. Doesn't look like any of the other HH eBooks are that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I can't view the dollar prices (yet). Do you mean that the eBook used to be cheaper, and is now more expensive? Or that it is more expensive than the book that preceded it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I can't view the dollar prices (yet). Do you mean that the eBook used to be cheaper, and is now more expensive? Or that it is more expensive than the book that preceded it? I always had range from 12 to 18.99 for them in general. Can't see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 In terms of the physical books, 'Vengeful Spirit' was 50% longer than most novels - so much so that in French and German it had to be split into two volumes. Some HH books before that were bumped up to a higher price point, of 25 pounds instead of the usual 20. 'Fear To Tread' was one notable example, I think there were 1 or 2 more? 'VS' was definitely 25 pounds, so 20% more expensive than the norm. However, you'll all be pleased to know that BL have decided to cap the price of HH books at 20 pounds, regardless of length, since the beginning of this year. 'War Without End' was originally going to be 25 but we pulled it back, and set that as a precedent. BL is free to make decisions like this again, since it broke away from the mainline Studio. So, in future you shouldn't have to worry about this. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 In terms of the physical books, 'Vengeful Spirit' was 50% longer than most novels - so much so that in French and German it had to be split into two volumes. Some HH books before that were bumped up to a higher price point, of 25 pounds instead of the usual 20. 'Fear To Tread' was one notable example, I think there were 1 or 2 more? 'VS' was definitely 25 pounds, so 20% more expensive than the norm. However, you'll all be pleased to know that BL have decided to cap the price of HH books at 20 pounds, regardless of length, since the beginning of this year. 'War Without End' was originally going to be 25 but we pulled it back, and set that as a precedent. BL is free to make decisions like this again, since it broke away from the mainline Studio. So, in future you shouldn't have to worry about this. Thank you Laurie. Your insight is always welcomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yes, thanks for responding to this. I believe that Vengeful Spirit used to be cheaper as an eBook. It certainly is much more expensive right now to buy the eBook versus the paperback. The physical book has always been the same price as far as I know. Just curious, and glad to hear the prices won't be increasing past a certain point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hmm, that's confusing... Are you perhaps looking at the price of the collector's edition eBook (like, with the internal illustrations) vs the regular paperback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 No it doesn't say collectors edition or anything at all to indicate it is something other than the normal eBook (and I've checked about six times since we started talking just to make sure I wasn't crazy haha). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Dude, post a screen cap or link so we can see what you're seeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/vengeful-spirit-hardback-edition.html I know it says hardback edition, but that is the page that comes up when you choose Vengeful Spirit. You can see the eBook option there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hmm, I see what you mean. Try dropping Customer Services a line, and ask them (nicely) if they can explain why the eBook costs so much more than the paperback. We might be missing something, here... (In fact, BL Customer Services should always be the first port of call with questions like this. Replies on a forum thread tend to come from the fan community, rather than someone who ACTUALLY knows the answer - in this forum, I'm probably the most likely to know the actual reason, and even I'm having to bow out and admit I can't explain it easily or quickly!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Haha that is true, I have just found that BL customer service can sometimes take a while to answer. Forum posts are more like the Bat-signal. And in this case, I did actually get Batman. (fanboy on) Also, can't wait for Giant's Coffin. (fanboy off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I believe Vengeful Spirit was always a tad more expensive than the others, since launch. Ebook and Hardback. Not sure this was the exact launch price, but Wayback Machine indicates that it has been $18.99 at least as far back as November 2015 (no snapshots before that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Haha that is true, I have just found that BL customer service can sometimes take a while to answer. Forum posts are more like the Bat-signal. And in this case, I did actually get Batman. (fanboy on) Also, can't wait for Giant's Coffin. (fanboy off) I hope you enjoy it! 'The Aegidan Oath' certainly lays a lot of groundwork for it... but isn't compulsory reading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Oh don't worry. I was all over the Aegidan Oath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 In terms of the physical books, 'Vengeful Spirit' was 50% longer than most novels - so much so that in French and German it had to be split into two volumes. Some HH books before that were bumped up to a higher price point, of 25 pounds instead of the usual 20. 'Fear To Tread' was one notable example, I think there were 1 or 2 more? 'VS' was definitely 25 pounds, so 20% more expensive than the norm. However, you'll all be pleased to know that BL have decided to cap the price of HH books at 20 pounds, regardless of length, since the beginning of this year. 'War Without End' was originally going to be 25 but we pulled it back, and set that as a precedent. BL is free to make decisions like this again, since it broke away from the mainline Studio. So, in future you shouldn't have to worry about this. :) Out of curiosity, is a writer paid more the larger the book is? I imagine that the editorial costs rise slightly but shouldn't ebooks be very much cheaper to produce? I've self published some educational books and I'm always happy when people buy the e-books because a. It's cheaper for both then and me b. Less headache regarding shipping and bad print jobs. Obviously I don't know what it's like for a large company like you guys but for me paying a only slightly less than a physical book at times makes me buy a lot less. I'm willing to spend more to get more. 3 ebooks for say...20 than 1 for 15. Of course a company dictates it's own pricing in relation to what a consumer I'd willing to pay. Getting an e-book NOW is a huge bonus to the purchaser. So I can see added cost for getting that advantage. Then again, the seller is getting money in their pocket just as fast and they avoid headaches with the printing process. I understand that if you can't provide to many juicy details, however. Also, apologies if you had conversations similar to this one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 For novels, BL pays an author a flat rate advance - this is generally an ongoing negotiated amount, book to book, varying by author and project. It doesn't account for length, even though a project will be specifically commissioned at 50k, 80k, 90k or 100k words. A book is not approved if it is more than 10% shorter than commissioned length, but the only limit on it being longer is whether or not the editor thinks it detracts from the overall narrative. (For short stories, BL pays 5p-per-word on the commissioned length, up to 20k words. An author is allowed 10% over or under, but will be paid accordingly.) 'Vengeful Spirit' is the longest BL novel in the last ten years, at 150k words. The reason the longer HH books used to cost 25 quid is because the old printers we used to use had a significant charge increases on anything over 416 pages, and the decision was made to increase the RRP accordingly. It was only for proper doorstop books, not a gouge on every title. But as I said, we've decided not to do this anymore. From the beginning of 2016, all HH hardbacks have been capped at 20 quid, even though a couple of them have been heavy enough to beat a Warseer forum member to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Thank you very much. It's interesting to get that kind of direct feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 For novels, BL pays an author a flat rate advance - this is generally an ongoing negotiated amount, book to book, varying by author and project. It doesn't account for length, even though a project will be specifically commissioned at 50k, 80k, 90k or 100k words. A book is not approved if it is more than 10% shorter than commissioned length, but the only limit on it being longer is whether or not the editor thinks it detracts from the overall narrative. (For short stories, BL pays 5p-per-word on the commissioned length, up to 20k words. An author is allowed 10% over or under, but will be paid accordingly.) 'Vengeful Spirit' is the longest BL novel in the last ten years, at 150k words. The reason the longer HH books used to cost 25 quid is because the old printers we used to use had a significant charge increases on anything over 416 pages, and the decision was made to increase the RRP accordingly. It was only for proper doorstop books, not a gouge on every title. But as I said, we've decided not to do this anymore. From the beginning of 2016, all HH hardbacks have been capped at 20 quid, even though a couple of them have been heavy enough to beat a Warseer forum member to death. Amazing explanation! Ty Laurie! Part with Warseer and weight made my day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Is Warseer back up again fully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Is Warseer back up again fully? Yes - almost. It's still has some DB and GUI issues - but forums are up http://www.warseer.com/forums/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Ugh. Dont be afraid Laurie - they a like young kiddos nowdays :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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