Vogon Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 How do you go about dealing with a Primarch in a game? I recently had a game at 2000pts which featured Angron with 10 red butchers in the opposing force. It's the first time playing 30K where I've actually had to face off against a Primarch (I run Alpha Legion) and I just didn't have an answer in a 2000 army. Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Angron doesn't like getting shot, and he gets stranded without a transport. That must have been a very expensive unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Vindicators work great on units like that. If they're in a transport try to cripple it then avoid/ignore the unit now on foot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogon Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Angron doesn't like getting shot, and he gets stranded without a transport. I suspect that was why he was in the middle of a Bunch of Red Butchers. Vindicators sounds a plan, I'll have to have a look into that. Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I was gonna say, if the dude is running Angron and red butchers like that at 2000 points, sportsmanship is out the window. Just take a Typhon and call it a day lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zujara Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Yeah, Typhons and Vindicators are a good way to go to blow them up. If they are in a tough transport like a Spartan, Graviton weapons have haywire and enough of them can glance it to death, as well as keep the Red Butchers in difficult terrain (and I think they have cataphractii armour so can't run) which will slow them down while you blow them up with other things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hivey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hit them with a shadowsword or a falchion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogon Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 I don't have a Typhon or other super heavy, the local group has been slowly building 30K armies and this guy was just the first to put a Primarch down on the table top. I have my own version of Alpharius but I haven't fielded him yet. The rest of the group aren't far behind with adding Primarchs but after this one game I was shocked how hard it was on the table top and was wondering what people did to deal with them. It sounds like firepower is the way to go and not Mele? Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 In fairness, I recently fought an Angron squad with that annoying Surlak character giving him a 4+ FNP. Templates didn't do much that time, and with correct spread of models it's not always easy. Your deployment, unit positioning and early game firepower are important when dealing with a Primarch run in this manner. Deploy in a way that forces him to chose a table side, then get him stranded there if possible. At 2000 points running 10 Red Butchers and Angron would leave him with very few units on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 That's a very expensive unit. The best way to beat this sort of list is to play to it's weakness- he has few supporting units and can only be in one place at one time. As Alpha legion you should have an easy time spreading out your army or ganging up on his much weaker supporting elements. As for the deathstar itself, either invest some points in getting rid of the transport or spend some points on a blocker unit or two to act as tarpits. Spend as little as possible to contain the deathstar and spend the rest on the other parts of your army where you already have a big advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 What was the rest of the list? Just curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I don't have a Typhon or other super heavy, the local group has been slowly building 30K armies and this guy was just the first to put a Primarch down on the table top. I have my own version of Alpharius but I haven't fielded him yet. The rest of the group aren't far behind with adding Primarchs but after this one game I was shocked how hard it was on the table top and was wondering what people did to deal with them. It sounds like firepower is the way to go and not Mele? Cheers Vogon If you don't want to invest in a super heavy, I highly recommend taking Contemptor Dreadnought talons or a Leviathan or two. They'll both have an invuln save (though obviously o e less than the other) but they strike at initiative with S10 AP2 attacks, which will obliterate 2 wounds terminators like crazy. That would be the high road option. What legion are you playing? There might be answers within. Edit: derp you said Alpharius. Take coils of the hydra which allows you to take a legion specific unit. Be an absolute troll and take Firedrakes for 2+/3++ with Thunder hammers, or take Ultramarine Suzerians. They've got I4 AP2 with double wounds on 6's, a 5++ in cc, and their breachers shields count as defensive grenades, so say goodbye to charge bonuses. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 To continue on from depthcharges point on contemptors, one with 2 fists and dual plasma blasters would make a right bloody mess of those butchers. Angron would potentially eat it right up. However the point is those red butchers are a splat on the pavement. If you're lucky you could make all your atomantic saves, and angron could have duff rolls :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Angron shreds dreadnaughts... even Leviathans before they even swing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Angron shreds dreadnaughts... even Leviathans before they even swing.100% agree. You don't want him anywhere near vehicles/walkers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtDan Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just shoot him off the table. I wouldn't step near him lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogon Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 What about other Primarchs? Is it worth throwing one against another in Mele to hold them up? Obviously they should be able to at least hold their own against each other but I'm pretty sure that Alpharius will come off worst against most of them. I'm not looking forward to facing Vulcan or The Gorgon Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 You can't even shoot ferrus. What is there you can take en masse to get through his toughness plus the -1. Not a damn thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Are you playing on empty table BTW? How much terrain do you have?It's not that difficult to escape from unit moving 6" per turn and definitely one mega slow unit won't annihilate your entire army... Also what models do you have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 If you have a Primarch with a sufficient bodyguard unit you can absolutely throw them in against another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 You can't even shoot ferrus. What is there you can take en masse to get through his toughness plus the -1. Not a damn thing. Myrmidons seem to do fine. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Myrmidon destructorsninja'd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 If he has them in a Spartan, use Dynat + Saboteur to automatically inflict an AP1 penetrating hit on it. On a 5+ it explodes, on a 4 it's totally useless for the rest of the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 On turn 2 though... Best case Angron and friends are 18" closer to you and are already where they need to be Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4622930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogon Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 To answer a couple of questions. Scenery varies depending where we are. In store we can litter the table with scenery but in homes then things get a bit more varied. Most of mine is hills forests and rocks than city scape. On to army selection I have available (assembled and painted) Alpharius (kitbashed but not yet fielded) Autilon Skorr Exodous Preator Tribune Forge Lord 2x10 man tac Squads 1x10 man Vet tac squad 5 man tac support with Volkite Calivers 5 man heavy with missile launchers 2 Contemptors both with assault canons 5 Lernaean Terminators (soon to be 10 once I finish painting) 3 Thallax 1 Sicaran Venator In the wings assembled but unpainted Spartan and Sicaran Thinking of my next purchase I am considering a Falchion so I can bring some Strength D to the table. I don't think there are any other Legion options for St D. Cheers Vogon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329806-dealing-with-a-primarch/#findComment-4623050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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