First time DIY Chapter. Need Help!

[Wargamer]

Armored vehicles are directly comparable to cavalry- at least in the US Army of 920.M2 and beyond.

This is a good point actually; I've not really seen a mechanised Chapter. Sure, every Chapter has bucketloads of Rhinos and Razorbacks, but I'm thinking a Chapter that spams heavy armour. Not so easy to represent on the tabletop admittedly, but it could be an interesting theme.

[Brink]

 

Armored vehicles are directly comparable to cavalry- at least in the US Army of 920.M2 and beyond.

This is a good point actually; I've not really seen a mechanised Chapter. Sure, every Chapter has bucketloads of Rhinos and Razorbacks, but I'm thinking a Chapter that spams heavy armour. Not so easy to represent on the tabletop admittedly, but it could be an interesting theme.

 

 

That sounds really cool actually plus I love how Vindicators and Land Raider Redeemers look. 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

The 5th Edition Codex states the Aurora Chapter (Ultramarines Successors) has many times the number of tanks another has, so Games Workshop has an example of a mechanized Chapter. In-game, you may need to make up your own Chapter Tactics to reflect this, possibly combining traits from the Iron Hands and the Imperial Fists/Black Templars.

[Brink]

Hello again in regards to the change of combat style I was thinking about a sort of mechanized assault warfare with the use of a heavy armor detachment. Where it works like this the heavy armor provides suppressing fire while armored transports roll up and then the Astartes enter into close range combat.

 

Want to hear any opinions so please tell me what you think. Thanks!

[Wargamer]

Sounds like something you could fit into an Astartes force pretty well.

 

Whirlwinds provide excellent mid-to-long range fire support, acting as a preliminary bombardment of enemy positions before moving up to provide close support strikes.

 

Vindicators are great for close range ordnance delivery, knocking out fortifications and flattening defensive positions prior to the attack.

 

For transports, Razorbacks with heavy bolters are an obvious choice. That said, I'm sure you can get heavy flamers or multi-meltas as well. Both of those would also be perfect.

 

Heavier transports would likely be Crusaders or Redeemers - both of which are built to lay down obscene amounts of fire (literally in the Redeemer's case) just prior to an attack.

[Brink]

Just making a post on overall progress at this point to condense some of the info that has been given to me.

 

Chapter Name: Knights Defiant (Thanks to LordVelype for the name)

 

Progenitor: Imperial Fists

 

Founding: 22nd

 

Colors: Purple and Silver with a splash of Gold (on Imperial Aquillas mostly)

 

Chapter Master: Clovis (Still looking for a Surname)

 

Combat Doctrine: Mechanized Assualt

 

Battle Cry: Undecided

 

Homeworld: Eysines

 

Segmentum: Ultima Segmentum near Ghoul Stars

 

Common Enemy: Orks or Tyrranids

 

Notable Battles and campaigns: None yet but I would like for them to have fought against Hive Fleets Moloch and Jormungadr in minor roles

 

Additional Info: The homeworld was an Astra Militarum recruitment/manufacturing world that rebelled and was suppressed with most the population dead they dissolved to barbarism over the course of several hundred years they slowly developed to an Iron Age society resembling the early Middle Ages. The Chapter was founded (for an unknown reason at this point) and chose Eysines to be the Homeworld and discovered the manufacturing facilities to still be in working order and thus can produce a greater number of armor and transports than other chapters. The chapter master wields a relic blade named Durendal and the chapter also has a relic melta-gun called Olifant. The  chapter has a unique Honor Guard and advisory council called the Paladins there are 12 in total including the Chief Librarian, Head Apothecary, Chief Techmarine, and an Emperor's Champion. The favored tactic of the chapter is to use Whirlwinds and Vindicators as covering fire while Razorbacks and Land Raiders charge up and the Astartes mount a close combat assault from there. In regards to the Emperor's Champion idea I would like for them to be the chapters best melee fighter and they carry the title until a Brother bests him in an Honor Duel or he falls in combat. As for cultural quirks I like the idea of all Battle Brothers being taught Calligraphy so they can write their own Purity Seals and other armor detailing such as engraving. 

 

These are just ideas ATM but I like the direction this is going It feels much more solid at this point.

Thanks for all the help!

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Olifant should be a combi-bolter-meltagun, with the twin bolter barrels as tusks, the meltagun barrel as a trunk. Naturally, a Terminator should wield it.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

The calligraphy lessons are an interesting touch. I think the religius aspects should be emphasized, i.e., the reason the Marines learn calligraphy- what other Chapters would consider time wasted- is to strengthen their FAITH.

[Brink]

No clue on how I'd make a combi-bolter melta-gun mix but it sounds cool.

 

The calligraphy lessons are an interesting touch. I think the religius aspects should be emphasized, i.e., the reason the Marines learn calligraphy- what other Chapters would consider time wasted- is to strengthen their FAITH.

 

I like the reasoning of  their Calligraphy being a religious quirk of sorts.

[Brink]

I Know this isn't the appropriate place but how do I post an Image in the forum?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

My idea for the combi-bolter-meltagun: file off the top of a Devastator's meltagun, and attach this to a Cataphractii Terminator's combi-bolter.

[Brink]

would a combi melta from a space marine commander kit work?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Maybe. The reason I chose the Cataphractii Terminator model was

 

1) A combi-bolter-meltagun will be BIG and HEAVY. It will look more proportionate on a Terminator than on a regular Marine.

 

2) As Cataphractii Terminators already come with combi-bolters, this should reduce the amount of work you must do for the conversion.

 

3) Cataphractii Terminator armor is a Horus Heresy-era pattern, a venerable relic for your Chapter Master, Captains, and their Champions.

[Brink]

I meant for the melta gun barrel not the combi bolter

[Brink]

Hey does anyone have any ideas for a chapter Champion in terms of models to use/kitbash?

[DaBoiKyknos]

Glad, I could help with the name! :)

Not so glad that you didn´t pick up my idea of marines with big throwing axes (or some analogy), but hey like the primarch Mickus Jaggerus of the ...ehm... Rolling Stones Legion once said while cleansing a space beatle infestation (stupid joke time, sorry): "You can´t always get what you want. (Now send my greetings to the Warmaster Bob Dylan, for father´s sake!)"

[DaBoiKyknos]

Hey does anyone have any ideas for a chapter Champion in terms of models to use/kitbash?

Oh sorry, didn´t see that first. I don´t have a specific model in mind, but maybe try out heads (with beards, you´ll want beards ) from the WHF Empire range, before GW decidest let them die out for some stupid reason...

They got insignia which could serve an old school imperium, middleages etc flavour. And they got hammers ( did I mention Karl Martell, yet? ;) )...

[Brink]

I think I found a suitable champion in the Company Command box set.

[Formosus XVI]

I'm a little mad at you Brink because you've gone and posted a French-themed Chapter with purple armor, and I had nearly the same idea (mine are bit more focused on Renaissance/Early Modern France rather than the Carolingian era) and wanted to introduce them on the Liber Astartes to get some feedback and make sure they are lore-friendly. I'm afraid if I post them now people will think that I'm a copycat!

[Brink]

I'm a little mad at you Brink because you've gone and posted a French-themed Chapter with purple armor, and I had nearly the same idea (mine are bit more focused on Renaissance/Early Modern France rather than the Carolingian era) and wanted to introduce them on the Liber Astartes to get some feedback and make sure they are lore-friendly. I'm afraid if I post them now people will think that I'm a copycat!

Hey I don't judge do what you want there are plenty of similar chapters out there (primarily looking at Blood Angels successors there) and as long as there are some distinct differences I don't think anyone else will mind everyone here has been very helpful and friendly and I'd love to help with some of the knowledge I've gained for myself. And who knows perhaps there can be a friendly rivalry between chapters!

[DaBoiKyknos]

I'm a little mad at you Brink because you've gone and posted a French-themed Chapter with purple armor, and I had nearly the same idea (mine are bit more focused on Renaissance/Early Modern France rather than the Carolingian era) and wanted to introduce them on the Liber Astartes to get some feedback and make sure they are lore-friendly. I'm afraid if I post them now people will think that I'm a copycat!

Hey I don't judge do what you want there are plenty of similar chapters out there (primarily looking at Blood Angels successors there) and as long as there are some distinct differences I don't think anyone else will mind everyone here has been very helpful and friendly and I'd love to help with some of the knowledge I've gained for myself. And who knows perhaps there can be a friendly rivalry between chapters!

@ Formosus: Make yours´ the successor of the Knights Defiant (I really like towrite this name :P ) and you two will be buddies for life! :)

[Brink]

I'm a little mad at you Brink because you've gone and posted a French-themed Chapter with purple armor, and I had nearly the same idea (mine are bit more focused on Renaissance/Early Modern France rather than the Carolingian era) and wanted to introduce them on the Liber Astartes to get some feedback and make sure they are lore-friendly. I'm afraid if I post them now people will think that I'm a copycat!

Hey I don't judge do what you want there are plenty of similar chapters out there (primarily looking at Blood Angels successors there) and as long as there are some distinct differences I don't think anyone else will mind everyone here has been very helpful and friendly and I'd love to help with some of the knowledge I've gained for myself. And who knows perhaps there can be a friendly rivalry between chapters!

@ Formosus: Make yours´ the successor of the Knights Defiant (I really like towrite this name ) and you two will be buddies for life!

A successor chapter is a big honor for a non-legion chapter and it takes a lot of resources and based on the founding of my chapter I don't know if they are quite old enough or decorated enough for that honor. But if you want to go for it I will not oppose I just want to make sure that people understand that's a big undertaking in terms of writing it successfully.

[DaBoiKyknos]

Was just saying what popped up in my mind, maybe not totally to be taken a 100% seriously.

Although, if you make them a little older and you two get along together, you probably could have quite an unique project.

[Brink]

So it's been very quiet for the last few days and I'm just curious if anyone has any ideas to further the Knights defiant or if you believe they have reached a point where they are solid enough to be considered finished? I really want to know what you guys think.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

It would be nice to have more details on the Chapter planet and how its culture influenced the Chapter itself, via recruits who eventually rose to leadership positions.

 

For example, the rebellion and its suppression via orbital bombardment. Who led the rebellion, the governor or the governed? Why? If the governor rebelled, was this because he wasn't satisfied with the status quo (ruler of a planet, but ultimately, ruled by Adeptus Terra), and he wanted the "true freedom" an Alpha Legion warlord promised him? If the governed rebelled, was this because they were crushed by the weight of the tithes the governor collected in Terra's name- tithes the governor may have embezzled- and an Alpha Legion warlord promised them "no taxation without representation" if they struck a blow against the Imperium?

 

Who bombed the planet, and how do the people- and recruits from this planet- view this act? The Imperium, in which case, the bombing is viewed as divine punishment for their sins, with new recruits seeking to martyr themselves and atone for their sins? The instigators of the rebellion, in which case, the bombing is viewed as an act of treason, with new recruits determined to punish those who betrayed their home world?

 

I also thought all Chapter planets would have an Order Militant of the Adepta Sororitas on them, providing the Inquisition with an instantly usable weapon against the Chapter if it turns renegade. (The Ultramarines novel 'The Chapter's Due' states the Inquisition has facilities on every single world of Ultramar.) This means you can easily justify the inclusion of Sisters of Battle allies, and a Joan of Arc-type character to lead them.