First time DIY Chapter. Need Help!

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I don't think the Inquisition has an Order Militant base on each chapter homeworld I know that in Codex: Crimson Slaughter the Imperium couldn't take immediate action against the Crimson Slaughter's second homeworld Drogsh which was assaulted while they were returing from the Massacre at Umidia and the Imperium would arrive back before them so I don't believe Rhoghon or Drogsh both homeworlds of the Crimson Slaughter had any sort of Imperial counter measures. Also this is just furthering what I think but how would the Inquisition deal with fleet based chapter such as the Dark Angels, Black Templars, Imperial Fists, or Carcharodons? 

 

In regards towards the rebellion of the homeworld I believe it would make more sense for the populace to have rebelled against the crushing war machine that is the Imperium. It makes a lot of sense when thousands of people work long days and nights even to produce goods or equipment for some conflict that will never affect their planet unless Terra itself will fall. If I remember correctly Charlemagne's enemies were the Lombards and the Muslims of Spain so perhaps there could be a cultural sub-sect like that on the planet that started the rebellion and was wiped out during the "cleansing".

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OK here goes with the homeworld history opinions are appreciated.

 

In the Great Crusade the planet Eysines was recovered and discovered to be rich in minerals required in weapons and vehicle manufaturing and was thus established as an Astra Militarum recruitment world that produced mechanized infantry and tanks. During the Horus Heresy a portion of the population of the planet of Eysines turned traitor along with the Warmasters forces and civil war erupted on the surface and was fought in bloody stalemate until the Ultramarines(Legion can be changed they are just the most likely) arrived at some point during the great scouring and judged the planet needed to be cleansed of its population and performed an elimination order and most of the population traitor or loyalist perished while those who lived out in the harsher environs of the planet survived. Over the course of the next 6,000 years In M37 when the planet was selected for the Knights Defiant homeworld the populace had grown and it's society fell to that of barbarism and then began to to form in a manner similar to the early middle ages of Terra. Like most feudal worlds the planet is made up of several city-states and countries vying for power in constant wars and political attacks in true Machiavellian tradition. In the constant warring of the planet one empire has remained while all others fell to blade or withered to time. Based in the now ancient ruins of the hive city Eysines Prime it is now known as Aachen and founded by a man simply known as Karl the Great and his great kingdom of the Milites founded on pillars of Chivalry codes and political prowess. For 5,000 years the Milites Kingdom has held strong and is know the main recruiting ground of the Knights Defiant. With much of the world still uninhabited the Knights Defiant make extensive use of the planet for training and trials of neophytes especially in the south-western hemisphere which is home to most of the ruins from the civil war long ago.

 

Topography: The planets ecosystem was originally close to 20th century Terra rife with pollution and manufactorums however during the Scouring with the planets population almost entirely wiped out the Flora and Fauna began to return to what is speculated as early iron age levels of vegetation creating a planet of dense forests and filled with a great bounty of wildlife.

 

In regards to the naming of a Fortress Monastery I'm unsure and really want ideas and as for trials of the Neophytes I know i want one to be an Honor Duel against another Neophyte where killing is not allowed.

 

Thanks for any ideas and opinions!

[Bjorn Firewalker]

A medieval knight's initiation rituals include fasting, praying, self-flaggelation- acts to affirm his faith. Duels with deadly animals (bullfighting being the most famous example) may be included.

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So I guess this has pretty much died. Thanks for input everyone.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Glad to help. Feel free to email me if you want to exchange ideas.

[DaBoiKyknos]

I like the "back-to-a- better-past" thing.

Has the distant story of a semi-traitor world still some importance for the world and your chapter? A la dark, painful, mysterious past as with the Dark Angels?

What kind of tech-level does the world have now as it´s an astartes homeworld? Totally medieval or more medieval in values and society, but with the traces of the dark age of technology etc. ? Mecha-steeds and power lances maybe?

What role does the Knights Defiant play in the culture(s) of their homeworld?

 

Greetings, Velype

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For the Tech level of the planet I was thinking of a Medieval with Technology thrown in such as rudimentary power armor and mech-steeds and maybe some weapons manufacturing techniques such as steel production. As for the role the Knights Defiant play the role of Governing body otherwise they would be seen as a fighting force that no kingdom on the planet could conquer and as long as they are unprovoked nothing happens. I also thought it would be a good idea for all Battle Brothers to lose their surname as soon as the Implantation process begins that way they no longer owe or hold allegiance to anything except the Chapter and by default the Imperium.

[Wargamer]

An idea might be to have households within the Chapter. Perhaps each Company is considered a House, and rather than moving between Companies they stay within their entire life? If you take this approach, you could either give each Company a few suits of Terminator armour, or have the Terminators as an inner circle of sorts, found only in the Master's Household.

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An idea might be to have households within the Chapter. Perhaps each Company is considered a House, and rather than moving between Companies they stay within their entire life? If you take this approach, you could either give each Company a few suits of Terminator armour, or have the Terminators as an inner circle of sorts, found only in the Master's Household.

 

That's actually a really interesting idea. So now a question arises would the Houses select the Neophytes into the house based on seniority or based on challenges and the like? I would love to hear some opinions or ideas thanks!

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So going back to the idea of implementing houses into the chapter I was thinking 8 houses 7 being full battle companies that are larger than standard and then the 8th being the scouts. With 8 that would mean each house would support 125 marines per and include all their war gear. Another thought that crossed my mind was having each house control a seperate wing of the fortress monastery excluding the forge, librarium, and apothecarium.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

So going back to the idea of implementing houses into the chapter I was thinking 8 houses 7 being full battle companies that are larger than standard and then the 8th being the scouts. With 8 that would mean each house would support 125 marines per and include all their war gear. Another thought that crossed my mind was having each house control a seperate wing of the fortress monastery excluding the forge, librarium, and apothecarium.

I think the Apothecarium, Forge, Librarium, and Reclusiam's resources should be under the Chapter Master's control, their resources seconded to the Battle Companies as needed. That means those organizations have no actual House (Company) number. If 'Codex: Space Marines' is accurate, most Chapters have those organizations set up this way.

 

As for the Scouts, I think you should just use the term "Neophyte", as Space Marine Scouts rarely have the necessary experience to actually serve as scouts. (Whoever wrote that line for Games Workshop, is an idiot with no military training or experience. Actual Scouts should be like Space Wolves Wolf Scouts- elites with the necessary training and experience to let them know what to do.) The Neophyte Company trains recruits, implants the gene-seed, and then passes the Neophytes onto whichever Company needs warm bodies.

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I know this might sound really stupid but is it possible for a chief librarian to be a venerable dreadnought?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I know this might sound really stupid but is it possible for a chief librarian to be a venerable dreadnought?

Possibly, but even Dreadnoughts are in danger of succumbing to the Black Rage. (The Blood Angels DO have Death Company Dreadnoughts.) I don't recall seeing Venerable Dreadnoughts in 'Codex: Blood Angels', though one is mentioned- Raguel the Sufferer- in the novel 'Soul Hunter'. Presumably, few of the Blood Angels' old Dreadnoughts remain SANE enough to use the accumulated knowledge and combat experience that made them Venerable.

 

If you want to use a Venerable Librarian Dreadnought, you must create a one-of-a-kind Special Character, and write about how this Special Character struggles to resist the Black Rage. Others may describe this Special Character as a "Special Snowflake," and mock you for his creation, regardless of whether or not such criticism is warranted- stand ready to weather such criticism.

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In regards to the black rage I'm pretty sure an IF successor won't contract it as far as I know only BA and their successors get the black rage.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

In regards to the black rage I'm pretty sure an IF successor won't contract it as far as I know only BA and their successors get the black rage.

My apologies. The fact you mentioned a "Librarian Dreadnought"- a Blood Angels exclusive unit- confused me.

 

It's possible for non-Blood Angels descendant Chapters to have Librarian Dreadnoughts, but I doubt they'll be Chief Librarians. 'Codex: Blood Angels' doesn't give us the option to upgrade the Librarian Dreadnought's Psyker Mastery Level, so entombment in a Dreadnought sarcophagus may limit a psyker's ability to manifest his powers.

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That's fine I wasn't planning to use a model like that in an actual game I was more of thinking it would be a unique lore point and a cool display model.

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So after some thought I've decided that i want to start working on the Fortress Monastery and would like some help with it's design and name. Thanks for any input!

[Bjorn Firewalker]

It's not Frankish, but considering the Chapter planet's history, I thought Alamut (Persian for "Eagle's Nest") is appropriate. Say it was the planetary governor's seat, was occupied by anti-Imperial forces during Eysines' civil war, and was devastated by orbital bombardment when the planet was scoured in the Horus Heresy's wake. The Knights Defiant investigated the ruins when they claimed the planet, found [insert MacGuffin here], and decided to rebuild the castle so the [MacGuffin] may be properly defended.

 

If a new name is needed, the French article on Alamut translates the Persian name as "Nid de l'aigle" or "Leçon de l'aigle" (leçon is also French for "lesson," if you want to incorporate a double-meaning in the name). As Aachen is already in use, I thought it would confuse things if you reuse it or the city's Roman name ("Aquae Granni," according to the Wikipedia article on Charlemagne's palace).

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It's good to hear something but there isn't really any connections to eagles so far with my chapter that I've noticed. 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

If your Chapter is loyalist, they fight for the Emperor and His Imperium, which use the Aquila (Latin for "Eagle") as their symbol. If you wish to make a Chapter of renegades or traitors, they can adopt the name in a mocking fashion, the way Fulgrim's sons continue to call themselves the "Emperor's Children," or the Alpha Legion uses "For the Emperor!" as a battle cry.

 

One idea I had with Alamut, is the traitors may have used it as an HQ during the Eysines Civil War, setting up altars to the Chaos Gods before the castle was brought down during the Scouring. If you want the Knights Defiant to have close relations with the Inquisition- a perfect excuse to equip your Chapter with goodies the Inquisition normally reserves for its own use- you can say they occupy and defend the castle because the Inquisition asked them to, to ensure nothing tainted remains there.

 

Alternately, you can say an STC was found in Alamut's ruins, if you want the Chapter to have close relations with the AdMech.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Looking through Wikipedia articles on Francia and its kings, how about Tournai, the capital (before it was moved to Paris, and then Aachen)? Here's a picture of the city in 1581 (under siege, appropriately enough).

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Hello again! Bjorn I know about the Imperium's iconography of the Aquila but I more of meant in regards to the history of the chapter so far. I did however look at Tournai and very much like it's artwork and name so I believe this to be a good choice. Thanks again for all your help!

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So after roughly a week of no activity I take it that I'm in a pretty Ok place for my chapter and I don't think I will be returning to this thread unless activity really steps up. Thanks all it was a very educational an fun experience. 

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Hey I know I said I wouldn't be coming back here unless activity stepped up but I had a question. So here goes how lore friendly would it be to have a Death Korp of Krieg regiment be kind of in a permanent deployment/assigning to a Chapter?

 

Thanks for any response! 

 

Side Note: I really like the Death Korp due to my surname being Krieger kind of neat or at least I think so.

[Dizzyeye01]

After the events of the Horus Heresy which saw alot of Imperial Guardsmen (or their equivilant) actively following the space marine forces they were assigned to in an expedition into betrayal and because of this, along with the Space Marine Legions being dissolved into chapters, the Imperial Guardsmen were reformed into what they are today. The best you can get is your chapter having worked together with a regiment from Krieg ( as in coordinated efforts) during a campaign or maybe a Crusade but that would be the extent of it.