Grand Master Belial Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I would say the reverse would be a more likely scenario with members of the Chapter following the Regiment as they would have a greater level of autonomy than the Guard. However, the brothers of the Chapter would know they are honor bound to go where the fighting is hardest so they would leave the side of that unit if it was rotated out of an active war zone. Dizzyeye's notion that they are together for a campaign is your best option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4678326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badass_Spaz Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Perhaps your Chapter is located in the Krieg world vicinity or have companies/squads deployed near or at fronts with Krieg regiments involved. The Chapter wouldn't be directly connected to them but would allow for a bit of history between them.FOOD FOR THOUGHT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4678467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 The same sector idea doesn't work to well considering Krieg's location, and system is unknown and located in the Segmentum Tempestus according to the wiki page. And I based my Chapter in the far north east of the galaxy in the Ultima Segmentum near the Ghoul Stars. But thanks for the input. For the Emperor! Also quite humbling to be visited by a Vernerable Dark Angel of your standing Grand Master Belial Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4678986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 In regards to the black rage I'm pretty sure an IF successor won't contract it as far as I know only BA and their successors get the black rage. My apologies. The fact you mentioned a "Librarian Dreadnought"- a Blood Angels exclusive unit- confused me. It's possible for non-Blood Angels descendant Chapters to have Librarian Dreadnoughts, but I doubt they'll be Chief Librarians. 'Codex: Blood Angels' doesn't give us the option to upgrade the Librarian Dreadnought's Psyker Mastery Level, so entombment in a Dreadnought sarcophagus may limit a psyker's ability to manifest his powers. I re-read 'Codex: Blood Angels' while planning YET ANOTHER revision of my 'Iron-hearted Angels' Codex supplement. Librarian Dreadnought CAN upgrade their Psyker Mastery Level. As the unit is Blood Angels exclusive, your Librarian Dreadnought will likely be one-of-a-kind, and some explanation is necessary for why a non-Blood Angel descendant has a Blood Angels exclusive unit. Maybe the Knights Defiant Librarian was a Deathwatch member who was fatally injured when he saved a Blood Angels Techmarine, and to repay the debt, the Blood Angels Techmarine provided a Librarian Dreadnought chassis, so the Knights Defiant Librarian may continue to serve the Imperium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4679069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 As for the Death Korps of Krieg models, just claim they're the Eysines equivalent of Housecarls (maybe Eysines PDF servicemen) or Chapter serfs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4679070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Bjorn I understand that the Librarian Dreadnought is a BA exclusive unit. I was just toying around with the idea I haven't actually implemented it at all though it does raise a question why can only BA librarians become Dreadnoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4679649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhiv Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Bjorn I understand that the Librarian Dreadnought is a BA exclusive unit. I was just toying around with the idea I haven't actually implemented it at all though it does raise a question why can only BA librarians become Dreadnoughts? There used to be a time when all chapters had the same gear and mostly the same vehicles... until GW in it's inherit wisdom threw the fluff into the wind and wrote new awesome units for new Codex releases. Some of the new units are explained by 'Only this chapter had them during Horus Heresy and thus only them and their successor have them now.' Seeing how BA were known for having widespread librarian program (kinda) during HH, I guess the argument is that because of that they also developed Librarian dreadnughts while the other Legions (and later chapters) went " that, don't need no dreadnoughts for librarians". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4679666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Zhiv thanks for input it was quite humorous to read. Going back to Bjorn I do like the idea of the PDF looking like the Death Korp but knowing how much you helped me with my chapter I feel like you understand that it doesn't work with the history and setting of the current Eysines. Thanks for your help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4679903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Skilled writing will provide acceptable explanations (or excuses) for anything. If you want your Knights Defiant Chapter serfs to look like Kriegers, but do NOT want to use the same reason for why they wear skull masks (a Krieger's desire to martyr himself and make penance for his ancestors' treason), you can say the Eysines natives wear the masks to mock Death, the way trick-or-theaters do on Halloween. When Death claims one of Eysines' faithful, the warrior's soul will laugh and say, "What took you so long? Afraid I would kick your posterior if I didn't feel like passing on? You pansy," and his ancestors will chorus, "Death is a pansy!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4680282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badass_Spaz Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 40K is a representation of all things metal and badass the sci-fi/fantasy genre has to offer, and Bjorn's mockery of death (On a mortal level) in a galaxy infested by hideous xeno's and daemons... Isn't a half bad idea. Maybe you could have the PDF themselves have a fondness for chemical warfare just to seal the deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4680656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 I like the idea of the PDF or even culture mocking death and I would like help in trying to write in that belief. In regards to chemical warfare is it to far fetched and idea to have the PDF troops implanted with the knowledge they would need to operate that equipment kind of similar to how when neophytes are selected the apothecaries give them knowledge that a space marine would need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4680672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badass_Spaz Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Hate to use my own stuff as an example but it is only as far-fetched as you want it to be. My homebrew regiments spits on the rules of war and poison their bullets, use mustard gas, augmented nerve gas grenades, and other crude chemical methods. Remember, 40K is an unforgiving era where all pretenses of chivalry and honor between foes is tantamount to heresy. If your PDF finds a more efficient way to murder the Imperium's enemies, then bully on!Hope that helps, my good man! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4680687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Thanks for the show of support I think I quite like the reasoning I came up with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329811-first-time-diy-chapter-need-help/page/5/#findComment-4681947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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