Next heresy book: Angelus

[Ishagu]

So when is Dorn getting a model?

A book called Angelus hints at a focus other than the IF...

[helterskelter]

We can always ask someone who's going to ask really nicely. It would be nice to up the pace a bit given 4 of their standard armour sets are now available in plastic, so sculptors can now look at doing more individual pieces. When was the last character series model for example?

[IronDrake28]

We can always ask someone who's going to ask really nicely. It would be nice to up the pace a bit given 4 of their standard armour sets are now available in plastic, so sculptors can now look at doing more individual pieces. When was the last character series model for example?

Russ :p

 

@Ishagu

 

At this point I think the book after Angelus could be the White Scars' escapades, and then the lead-up to the Siege of Terra, including the events of Praetorian of Dorn. It would be a good excuse to get at least Alphy or Dorn out imo.

[m_r_parker]

I can't wait for this book. I still look at my 2nd Edition 'Angels of Death' codex from time to time due to the sheer amount of good lore that it has, so I hope the FW team have decided to make a homage to this by doing both the BA and DA in this book (and sorry in advance to any WS players if they don't end up appearing in this book).

 

The Dark Angels are the one Legion during the entirety of the Heresy who I want to see the most in terms of background, as there's so much scope to be had with them. More so than most of the other Legions, as they were the ones who were fighting with the Emperor to claim the Sol System and beyond, and were there long before Horus or any of the other Primarchs were found. There are going to be some very senior Commanders within the Legion who have had very close proximity to the Emperor during the initial parts of the Great Crusade, who are going to feel very conflicted when the Lion starts to move his Legion to a more pro-Caliban stance.

 

Now the theme of the Black Books is always conflict orientated rather than force orientated, so my hopes for the DA is that they use Thramas as the basis of their inclusion. I know there's been murmurings of them going up against the Dark Mechanicum, and maybe DarkMech will be included, but Thramas makes more sense to me as that's where the Lion was prior to heading off to "Guilimans Little Heresy" (joke, maybe... ) and it feels it would make sense to follow the Legion around it's Primarch. Regardless of where the conflict takes place, getting to see the inner workings of the Legion, both pre and post Caliban, will be very fulfilling. With the pre-Caliban formation hopefully there'll be insight into the darker technology available at the start of the Crusade that the Emperor quickly banned (and hopefully the Legion squirrelled away for a rainy day) and how the Emperor's vision of the Legions were. And after the discovery of the Lion we can see how the influence of The Order took to the organisation of the Legion, and the various circles of hierarchy that eventually are deployed as a result of it. 

 

Also the DA have probably one of the most inter-Legion splits when it comes to loyalty, probably more so than most of the other Legions. having spoken to Alan Bligh about it a while ago, I think he's also of the same opinion that you could very easily divide the Legion into 4 distinct elements; Pro Emperor / Imperium, Pro Lion, Pro Luther / Caliban and Pro Traitor / Horus. Most of these I wouldn't expect to see played out until after the Siege of Terra (and I'm hoping there's a final 'Aftermath' book that starts of the Scouring and shows the final conflict of the Lion and Luther at Caliban), but I hope to see some of the ground work laid out for it during this book. 

 

And all of this is even before we start to see characters, units, models, etc. Needless to say, I'm very excited to see what that final seminar of the Weekender shows us, and actually I'm not concerned in the slightest as to whether they'll do it justice or not. 

 

I hope to get more of a detailed chat with Mr Bligh during the course of the weekend, and maybe I can coerce him into giving me a more detailed breakdown of what he has planned over a pint or two. 

[Corswain]

Thramas would be awesome and make a lot of sense. It would give FW a chance to give the Night Lords a second look in too.

Along those lines, I kinda thought that a book on DA and BA miht be Unremembered Empire themed. That way you can expand on WE, WB, UM, NL, Shattered Legions and pretty much anyone else you wanted to. It's got a lot of players.

 

In the end though, I'm just gonna be in it for the Dark Angels. Everything else is a (fantastic) bonus.

[Cloud Runner]

This has me super excited, not least of all because I may finally have some solid Dark angels information.

 

Now for some wild speculation - I think we could well see another GW boxed game that ties in with this, and Thramas looks most likely I think. It provides an opportunity to release plastic MkII armour AND ties in with the black book release just like the past two years

 

Calth box - Tempest book

Prospero box - Inferno (admittedly delayed, but everything was expecting it then)

 

 

Either way, it's going to be an expensive/exiting later part of 2017 and I honestly cannot wait.

 

Hope we get some good official news at the weekender, along with some even better snippets from random conversations and the like :D

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It'd be nice if FW could release models for Alpharius, Dorn, Lionel and Sanguinis this year.

[fedratsailor]

I can see this as signus and thramas, with it tying into them both being in Unremembered Empire.

[Lord_Ikka]

Yes, finally some Dark Angels FW stuff! Looking forward to this very much. Wonder about the special units for both the BA and DA...

[Lord Tharand]

It'll be neat to see the Dark Angels and The Lion get some proper fluff.  I feel for the White Scars though who I think are riding a real wave of popularity right now thanks to the outstanding work Black Library has put into them.

 

Although I am still waiting for an Alparius model so I can finally start an Alpha Legion army!

[Sepher]

Beyond my excitement for the Angels is the possibility of seeing a Traitor-exclusive force with Demons from Signus and the Dark Mechanicum.

 

I think the Talons of the Emperor list Inferno drops on us will be very popular and it'll be great to see what the Warmaster gets to counter it with.

[Brother Pheidias]

I feel for the White Scars though who I think are riding a real wave of popularity right now thanks to the outstanding work Black Library has put into them.

 

Although I am still waiting for an Alparius model so I can finally start an Alpha Legion army!

I feel more for the Fists and Alphas, they need their Primarchs! I think that while all who play Scars would love to get some more FW attention, most of us are fairly happy with what we've got to play with for the moment.

[Saphrael]

And all of this is even before we start to see characters, units, models, etc. Needless to say, I'm very excited to see what that final seminar of the Weekender shows us, and actually I'm not concerned in the slightest as to whether they'll do it justice or not. 

 

I hope to get more of a detailed chat with Mr Bligh during the course of the weekend, and maybe I can coerce him into giving me a more detailed breakdown of what he has planned over a pint or two. 

Sensational post m_r_parker, and I agree completely about having faith that FW will do the DA justice in the fluff and models department, it's the gaming side of things I'm a little worried about. Our legion rules and wargear and their interaction in the current 30k gaming environment give me pause, but those concerns have been well documented elsewhere.

 

I'm also incredibly jealous of an opportunity to have a pint with Benevolent Overlord Bligh and discuss DA, that would be a hobby dream come true for me.

 

Now for some wild speculation - I think we could well see another GW boxed game that ties in with this, and Thramas looks most likely I think. It provides an opportunity to release plastic MkII armour AND ties in with the black book release just like the past two years

 

Calth box - Tempest book

Prospero box - Inferno (admittedly delayed, but everything was expecting it then)

I'd love to see a Thramas box and you're right that it'd be a good excuse to get some plastic MK II out there, but to be honest I just don't see a previously unexplored conflict getting a box. Thramas has barely been touched in existing BL books and while it'll get explored in depth in Angelus (if it is indeed the primary focus for DA in the book, which is TBC) I don't think Thramas is big enough in the 40k/30k zeitgeist to warrant a box. Prospero and Calth have been pillars of the Heresy for a long time and both have had significant BL pages dedicated to them, alas, Thramas hasn't.

 

It'd be nice if FW could release models for Alpharius, Dorn, Lionel and Sanguinis this year.

I wouldn't hold your breath. A cursory Google search didn't yield any confirming results, but I don't think we've ever had more than two primarchs released in a year. Not to mention that there were previously multiple sculptors working on the primarch series, but now we only have Simon Egan. Not that I'm complaining, he's sensational at it and appears to be going from strength to strength (people usually complain about Fulgrim, but he was one of the first sculpted and we've come a long way since then).

[Marshal Loss]

Thramas would be sick, I imagine we could expect Atramentar alongside the Angels. :P

 

Very, very excited for this book. I plan on doing some Dark Angels as my first Loyalist force when they come out, assuming they look as gorgeous as I suspect they will

[Blindhamster]

I'd guess we will indeed see signus prime from the Blood Angel side of things, because its one of the most important events for them, and was important to the heresy overall (Horus feared Sanguinius, so sent him and his legion away to die), Likewise Thramas seems an obvious choice to be in there from a Dark Angel perspective because of how important its been made out to be to them two legions involved in that.

 

I do however, really hope we get more in relation to Imperium Secundus, it's a good opportunity to revisit a few legions as others have noted, and whilst I'd be very happy for the book to cover Blood Angels and Dark Angels and not too much else, it doesn't fit the format we've seen so far.

 

I guess we will see:

Dark Angels

new rites of war

1-2 unique units

1-2 characters

the Lion

 

Blood Angels

new rites of war

1-2 unique units

1-2 characters

Sanguinius

 

Daemons

Hopefully khorne and Slaanesh themed stuff, I'd imagine it wont be a full list though, but rather will officially make daemons legal in 30k and be some extra characters/units for them maybe.

 

Then there are rumours of dark mechanicum which might be cool

 

Possibility to revisit:

Ultramarines and Shattered Legions (if we have imperium secundus included)

Night Lords (if thramas or imperium secundus) Word Bearers/World Eaters (if imperium secundus)

 

Forgeworld usually include at least some completely unknown things too, so we could see something DA or BA related that gives an exuse for any of the traitor (or loyalist!) stuff to appear.

[rendingon1+]

I just hope FW will just ignore Imperium Secundus. After all what's there to write? 3 legions sitting in Ultramar doing lmost nothing. Hardly a FW book material to me. Thramas and Signus, go!

[Blindhamster]

most of the imperium secundus action is ultramarines doing the actual fighting to be fair, so you're probably right.

 

I guess I just hope for something beyond just signus for the BA.

[Dantay VI]

Why?

 

There is very little beyond Prospero for the Wolves or T-Sons?

For Wolves they get slaughtered at Yarant then a rampage across the stars to arrive late at Terra, they only came into their own again for the Scouring.

T-Sons were shattered at Prospero, licked their wounds in the warp. Very little is known of what they did after except show up at Terra, then off they went o their planet of the Sorcerors.

 

Signus was a big moment (poorly handled) for the 9th before going to Terra, which then became THE defining moment for the legion.

 

I think books 4-6 is enough Ultra-centric Imperium secundus shattered legion stuff for now.. lets get back to the main story arc and on the road to Terra.

[Blindhamster]

Why?

 

There is very little beyond Prospero for the Wolves or T-Sons?

For Wolves they get slaughtered at Yarant then a rampage across the stars to arrive late at Terra, they only came into their own again for the Scouring.

T-Sons were shattered at Prospero, licked their wounds in the warp. Very little is known of what they did after except show up at Terra, then off they went o their planet of the Sorcerors.

 

Signus was a big moment (poorly handled) for the 9th before going to Terra, which then became THE defining moment for the legion.

 

I think books 4-6 is enough Ultra-centric Imperium secundus shattered legion stuff for now.. lets get back to the main story arc and on the road to Terra.

honestly Im hoping Inferno covers more than JUST prospero too, some other engagements would be nice to see (albeit unlikely considering the sheer scope of prospero).

 

I'd like Angelus to cover some of the events happening on Calliban/with DA not part of the lions fleet, and to cover the small pockets of BA that DIDN'T go to signus for example, as those are areas not fleshed out, which is what (IMO) Forgeworld shine at.

[Charlo]

For those wanting Dorn, do remember that Fists were originally not supposed to be in book whatever-it-was and were added last minute to be a real opposite to IW and round out the loyalist/ traitor numbers etc.

 

Sure not having a model sucks, but you have literally everything else (especially with the Storm Shields on the horizon!) and there are some great Dorn conversions out there. A lot more than some legions!

 

But man, I am hyped for Prospero and depending on it's contents, that hype may shift entirely to Angelus over the course of next weekend...!

[Huggtand]

Why?

There is very little beyond Prospero for the Wolves or T-Sons?

For Wolves they get slaughtered at Yarant then a rampage across the stars to arrive late at Terra, they only came into their own again for the Scouring.

T-Sons were shattered at Prospero, licked their wounds in the warp. Very little is known of what they did after except show up at Terra, then off they went o their planet of the Sorcerors.

Signus was a big moment (poorly handled) for the 9th before going to Terra, which then became THE defining moment for the legion.

I think books 4-6 is enough Ultra-centric Imperium secundus shattered legion stuff for now.. lets get back to the main story arc and on the road to Terra.

honestly Im hoping Inferno covers more than JUST prospero too, some other engagements would be nice to see (albeit unlikely considering the sheer scope of prospero).

I'd like Angelus to cover some of the events happening on Calliban/with DA not part of the lions fleet, and to cover the small pockets of BA that DIDN'T go to signus for example, as those are areas not fleshed out, which is what (IMO) Forgeworld shine at.

Nah, the wolves are lazy bastards!

005.M31, Burning of Prospero, Well boys, that was a dozy. Let’s rest for a couple of years

007.M31, , a space battle! We didn't plan for this. Let’s take it easy and relax for, let’s say four years more. Someone else can take care of the traitors. We can’t do everything around here

~011.M31, Are we the only one working here? Ok let’s stop Horus to show the others how to do it. We will clock that on overtime and take some comp time, let´s say three years

014.M31, What the traitors att Terra! Ok boys I guess we have to show up, wouldn´t risk to look bad

I dearly love the Vlka Fenryka but I do hope that Inferno hints at more than the set pieces

[helterskelter]

I thought the novels were covering you there

[Huggtand]

Not so much

There are individuals here and there as side characters and some watch packs. But there seems not to be any campaigning or harrying anywhere like the chattered legions, ravens or the scars. Angels and Ultras fights within the Secundus. Even the fists are sending out forces to fight Horus while fortifying Terra.

Rest and recuperation for the wolves. Free mjöd for everyone

[Dantay VI]

I thought the novels were covering you there

 

Ummm... you mean the novels where we get killed, lose horribly or a narrow win because the cavalry rode in and saved the day?

 

Yeah we are well covered.

[helterskelter]

 

 

I thought the novels were covering you there

Ummm... you mean the novels where we get killed, lose horribly or a narrow win because the cavalry rode in and saved the day?

 

Yeah we are well covered.

At no point did I say this was a good thing, it's just the novels added some extra sauce to engagements that weren't there before and attempting to give some kind of reason the wolves couldn't make it to Terra to help.

To be fair now though,there's going to be a particularly difficult time explaining why the lion didn't go given his pet, and that blood angels make it.

The RG also have little excuse not to be there I see currently, it's all well and good cutting off supply lines etc but when everything is actually at Terra for the big show and how long that goes on for, you'd think Corax would put his big boy pants on and go and get stuck in. Same for salamander and iron hand detachments, the latter who you'd think want much revenge