Gorgoff Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'd love to see how a full blob of black shield mauraders and a rad nad Reaver lord and apothecary all with chymeriae go up against some custodoes. They'll probably die miserably but they should at least drag down a few golden boys with them :DYeah man.<play Ride of the Valkyries.wav> ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4677925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Btw custodes are immune to fear and pinning. So curze shenanigans are minimized. No biggie. Talent for Murder will help a lot, especially against the shields. I say just drown them in wounds if possible. At least, that is what I keep telling myself I will do with my Terror Assault list... because I got literally no other options! Just remember talent for murder applies at your initiative and custodes are bulky so count for 2 models. So if they kill enough they will outnumber you which is very possible. Not likely with Custodes in my case. They are 3-4 model units, so counting as at most what? 8 dudes? I will be throwing Assault Marines at them after Chooming them up with Terror Squads. That is literally my only answer, other than maybe shooting them up with my flyers. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4678210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 What about fast Vindis or with PotMS ? Keep them in reserve so you get the first shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4678739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Actually, I retract my earlier objection to the grav flux. It is not barrage, so shrikes don't do anything, and graviton collapse doesn't allocate wounds normally but inflicts them on the models it touches, so there is no Look Out, Sir! saves to be taken as far as I can tell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The Gravflux bombard is a model based test, so not reallocation. It's rather amazing, couple with the dreadnought's phosphex, it has the potential to wipe out a squad in one go. They survive? Snippy claw go! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Snippy Claw the Dream Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonl Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Plasma Outriders too expensive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 They are not when you consider what they will be going after. They wont catch you in melee, but you will have less wounds to soak retur fire with than a support squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 In addition to Plasma spamming legion support squads it might be worth giving them augury scanners to make Custodes players think twice before deep-striking right next to them. Side note: I'd be interested to see Constantin Valdor or a Shield-Captain face off against Anacharis Scoria (A ridiculously good dark mechanicum HQ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 In addition to Plasma spamming legion support squads it might be worth giving them augury scanners to make Custodes players think twice before deep-striking right next to them. Side note: I'd be interested to see Constantin Valdor or a Shield-Captain face off against Anacharis Scoria (A ridiculously good dark mechanicum HQ) Valdor loses horribly as scoria just does way to much damage and he's tanky enough Valdor won't kill him first. Tank Tribune destroys scoria the -1to hit us huge due to Scoria purely relying on hit rolls and 3++reroll makes him functionally unkillable by just about everything short of SD. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4680840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The way to beat Scoria is shoot him down like the filthy dog he is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Don't have the newest red book but a hypothetical strategy for an ordo-reductor war covenant would be to have HQ with several Cyber-Occularis. The Occulari would follow around squads of myrmidon destructors armed with graviton imploders. With the ability to intercept (at BS5) it should deter deep striking next to them. Concurrently a Vultarax would go around and lay ruin to Custodes transports and vehicles with there haywire guns. Throw in a Phosphex Medusa or two (AP2 3+ poisoned) for good measure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Why would you ever use phosphex medusas, when the STR 10 is so valuable against custodes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Fair question, the idea was to force the now footslogging custodes (pesky vultarax glanced there transports to death) to take dangerous terrain test and slow them down. Though if I recall the ordo-reductor gets the option to use both the conventional and phospex rounds in their medusas. edit (forgot Custodes have move through cover, disregard phospex and use conventional rounds) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 They have move through cover, so they dont take dangerous and would barely be slowed by the terrain. And sure you dont lose the normal shot, just not worth it to fire phosphex against them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I stand corrected, my bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Medusa phosphex works just fine, it's AP2 and not a barrage weapon. It's just it doesn't do that much damage except a couple of wounds on a good day. I'd probably still shoot the S10 shell in hopes of catching a dude and pasting him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 No barrage sucks, you can't get around a tribune if they're out front. You'll get more hits with phosphex, but half the wounds compared to normal, without the ID attached Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Last time I checked, there isn't a Tribune leading every squad. Any fire you may direct at the Tribune is a waste of time anyway, unless it's Myrmidons or something equally high volume (and even then you'd need like 6 to have a decent chance of killing him). Just give him some space, because he can't be effectively killed and will murder most things he engages in melee, but is otherwise just a footslogger at the mercy of random charge distances. Ideally you can throw a chaff unit at him that won't break. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I'm not sure where you're coming from. You said one of the reasons the phosphex shots were good was because of the lack of barrage. Barrage is always better than normal because you can ignore LOS and effectively snipe models out of squads. In the context against custodes, being able to circumvent one of potentially 3 eternal warrior characters out front is a huge advantage. Obviously a Tribune isn't going to be in every single squad, but this is a way to try and circumvent him when shooting at whichever squad he is in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erren Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Yes, but Custodes commonly buy an upgrade that increases scatter distance on barrage weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Sure, but you can still roll a hit, and with spotters you can still subtract BS (which you can boost). Again, phosphex will hit more guys, but it does half the wounds of normal and doesn't ID. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4681824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 And the phosphex canister let's you reposition the blast template which is very powerful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4682073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Only up to 2" so long as you're covering more models than before. So realistically, probably not really unless they're slightly more clumped up than normal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4682102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 It can help clip another model if your opponent didn't use max spread... every little bit counts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331562-legio-custodes-weaknesses/page/6/#findComment-4682214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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