Sol_Invictus Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Waiting for the Swedish bikini model massages rumor to show up on BoLS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4708999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 For the person earlier in the thread concerned about making a purchase, take this as you will; I am not going to let any rumored changes with a new edition influence my VIth buys. While the rules may change effectiveness of some units, it won't change the actual army lists. I want Grey Slayers in blobs and want them in Rhinos so I will buy Grey Slayers and Rhinos. Same to Russ, Speakers of the Dead, Deathsworn, Veterans, and whatever comes out for Varangyr. Now if you are creating your shopping list with a competitive mindset only, I can see your problem. But as history has shown me in the past 18 years, the ebb and flow of competitive units rise to power and fall to uselessness never ends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I have paused all of my GW purchases aside from Shadow war stuff, unit wise I already had most of what I needed. I actually picked up a few more scouts for use with my red Scorps so yay. But nothing will I buy for 40k or 30k, too risky at this point. They have done nothing to assure us at this point they are ready for 8ths release. I even sent an email a week or two ago and got no reply. The least they could do was send out a reassuring email newsletter saying they have things in hand and are ready for opening day. I might swear off FW completely if they force us to buy new codices as they get to them for all the FW units. They know the 8th rules, someone above mentioned printers, 8th's rules if this is going to be a summer release have been at the printers for a month now or more. Takes awhile to print a few million copies in multiple languages and have them shipped in bulk transport ships to the various international distributers so they can be released on whatever day. As for rumors, aside from this thread I have heard zero about them changing the ballistic skill table. They are(strong possibility) incorporating some new old rules like armor modifiers based on the weapons used(unless it is a user strength based weapon) and other factors. I miss that. Its great they are differentiating a chainsword from a giant q-tip even if it is just a -1 armor modifier. Movement stats are great. Not a fan of charger going first but cant have everything I guess. It definitely sounds like an assault oriented edition vs the current shooting edition. Not a fan of that since I play this game for the cool guns and stuff and think assault should be a secondary thing to shooting. I have heard some grumbling about Shadow War being the rules set of 8th. I think that's bunk. While I think 2nd was by far the best edition of 40k to date, the rules do not reflect the massive armies we have now. At 1500 points which was a decent sized game in 2nd I had 17 guys in my chaos army. We had the game memorized, it didn't take longer than a similarly pointed game of 7th, but we were using in almost every army case a third of the miniatures we use now. I cannot see them using these rules for 8th edition aside from the movement and armor save modifiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The main disappointment for me is how FW and GW are handling the transition for our community. They continue to do a poor job managing expectations and there is little transparency. Feels familiar and a lot of the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I do love how many hundreds of people claim to have an inside source who knows all the goings on. GW must have to hire new staff daily to deal with the sackings. Well since Kevin Rountree arrived and said there is no point trying to stop rumours the place leaks like a sieve we should use them to our own advantage, I'm not sure if anyone has been sacked for leaks. Will WHTV all be getting their marching orders for showing us Ahriman way before release after he escaped early? Was Ahriman even an accidental release or an Easter egg? True guerrilla marketing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholyechoes Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I have a feeling that after 8th edition 40k launches we'll see both Angelus and a new, large red book (or two) with all the massive updates for the various armies. That is going to annoy me, because I just got the two current books in the last couple months. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I think it's a bit ignorant for you guys to say the HH is in a vacuum and not to worry. Most of my regular opponents play 40k. When I run my 30k Ultras I regularly face 40k armies, and unless FW can be quick to update the rules the two systems will no longer be compatible which hurts BOTH the communities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Not really. It just hurts you. Plenty of communities will carry on with 7th Edition until everything is updated just fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Hurts me and a lot more people I bet. I have a lively 30 and 40k community, but unless I want to play against the same armies every week I certainly won't be able to enjoy my 30k Ultras as much. Others will be in the same boat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 I think it's a bit ignorant for you guys to say the HH is in a vacuum and not to worry. Most of my regular opponents play 40k. When I run my 30k Ultras I regularly face 40k armies, and unless FW can be quick to update the rules the two systems will no longer be compatible which hurts BOTH the communities. That's a really great point, actually. If you're playing 30k against 40k on the regs you're probs going to be out of luck :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 My group is well versed in 7th edition, so it won't be hard at all to revert back to 7th when playing against HH armies (which happens quite alot in my group) until FW gets off their collective butt and updates all their rules. Personally I really hope HH gets converted to 8th, I'd really like to see Primarchs run a little faster than a guardsman.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 Would be cool if Primarchs suddenly became super viable to run solo - slamming forward as an unstoppable force into the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am in the 30k only playing against 40k group. No one else has an interest in 30k, mostly because its FW and thus expensive. They will be doing a huge disservice to the 30k, elysian and Krieg(plus assorted FW only chapters) community if they are not already working on the cross over FAQ and getting it ready for release opening day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am in the 30k only playing against 40k group. No one else has an interest in 30k, mostly because its FW and thus expensive. They will be doing a huge disservice to the 30k, elysian and Krieg(plus assorted FW only chapters) community if they are not already working on the cross over FAQ and getting it ready for release opening day. This is my thinking exactly. Although it's possible to "arrange" for your opponent to use older edition rules, this is not ideal by any stretch. Maybe FW will surprise us, but they've become so slow and ponderous. I asked them about this on FB and had no response at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4709936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Yeah I sent an email and got no reply as well. Not good customer service to leave us in the dark. They could at least say "Hey, don't fear, we have you taken care of." Or "We are planning rules releases spaced out over the next few years, isn't that exciting?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 More pages of gloom and doom... maybe FW intends for 30k to keep its own rule set. Wanting to play games versus 40k armies isn't really a good reason as that is obviously not the reason to play 30k. At this point no one really knows... it's all just speculation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I certainly can't justify my Heresy army if I can't play it on a regular basis :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 That's one of the reasons why it's so important to help build a local community. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The point is the FW have always stated that the HH series uses the 40K BRB for its main ruleset. If GW updates the BRB, then FW, where required, should change their rules sub-set accordingly to be in-line with the main ruleset. If 8th drops, it will just be a waiting game to see how long FW take to update/FAQ their rules sub-set to match up with GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 There were rumors they'd split off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I doubt it would happen, as then the many people like Ishagu and myself would lose a huge part of our gaming. I live atleast 1 hour from the nearest store which plays 30/40K and my gaming buddy who does not yet collect 30K is a good 90 minutes away. There is no local gaming community where I am at, so moving to a different system would really mess with my already limited opportunities to get a game in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 If you do not have a local store, you cant really start a local community. Some of us play at each others houses due to lack of local locations but I cant tell or ask them to realistically pay $500+ for FW stuff plus the books to play a non-mainstream game as opposed to 40k where if they are willing to travel they can get a game anywhere. Again, FW needs to update, and they need to update when the edition comes out. I don't even care about the actual rules changes. I just want to be able to continue playing my game with my friends when they play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 There were rumors they'd split off. And they were 100% unfounded, the latest information coming straight from Alan Bligh. Really, just play 7th with the Heresy until it's updated - which is fine! If you're against 40k, sure if there is no update it's going to be bumpy. My bet is we'll get some info at Warhammer Fest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 · Hidden by Olis, April 13, 2017 - Flamebait Hidden by Olis, April 13, 2017 - Flamebait I bet the same people furiously clamoring for immediate updates are the same people still running an OS at least one edition old if not more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710576
Sonoftherubric21 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I certainly can't justify my Heresy army if I can't play it on a regular basis :-/ seriously. I own a single regular 40k army, MULTIPLE 30k armies. They better step to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332305-8th-edition-the-hh/page/6/#findComment-4710590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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