simison Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share Posted June 11, 2017 Something just caught my eye, reading through the Praevian entry. Not all of the Legions have specific rules for their battle-automata. I don't see anything for the World Eaters, the Blood Angels, and, perhaps most bizarrely, the Salamanders. What's up with that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4779546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 The Butcher's Nails likely interfere with Praevian operations. I can picture the Salamanders and Blood Angels disdaining automata on philosophical grounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4780501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I think it's likely because those three legions' special rules don't need further clarification for Automata/they actually work on automata. An example would be Dark Angels. Automata cannot take any of their sword options, so the Legiones Astartes rule is totally useless for automata, meaning they're given something else simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4780545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 Perhaps both are true, though I'm not sure what the philosophical reasons would be since I've not read up on automata yet. Also, from Retribution, the 67th Expeditionary Fleet would run into an entire Fra'al Conclave above Pragus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4782281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Read through the Dark Angel's expanded armoury. There are items here that should be considered integrating into BotL somehow, like the stasis shells. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Anything especially esoteric? We ought to consider the Lightning Bearers' arsenal, given their I Legion status and the inheritance of Madrigal (let's say vibroblades that can match chainswords are one). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Anything especially esoteric? We ought to consider the Lightning Bearers' arsenal, given their I Legion status and the inheritance of Madrigal (let's say vibroblades that can match chainswords are one). Most of it I would imagine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 From the entry, we have the Terranic Greatsword, Calibanite War Blade, Plasma Repeater, stasis shells for grenade launchers and missile launchers, and molecular acid shells for heavy bolters. All of them, except the Calibanite War Blades are from ancient Terra proper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 The Berserkers want those molecular acid rounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 From the entry, we have the Terranic Greatsword, Calibanite War Blade, Plasma Repeater, stasis shells for grenade launchers and missile launchers, and molecular acid shells for heavy bolters. All of them, except the Calibanite War Blades are from ancient Terra proper. What about Adrathic Weaponry, don't the First have those too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 From the entry, we have the Terranic Greatsword, Calibanite War Blade, Plasma Repeater, stasis shells for grenade launchers and missile launchers, and molecular acid shells for heavy bolters. All of them, except the Calibanite War Blades are from ancient Terra proper. What about Adrathic Weaponry, don't the First have those too? No, they don't actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Adrathic weaponry is limited solely to the Custodes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Ah okay, I had a vague recollection of the First having stuff like that due to their creation prior to the Treaty of Mars, though on reconsideration I think I got the Adrathic Weapons mixed up with a different archaeotech and accidentally blended the memories in my head. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4799702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Less than 20 pages away from finishing Retribution. And today's first pages were all about the Ordinatii-Minoris. I'm mildly curious if there are or will be rules for the Mars and Endymion patterns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4825260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 My final note from Retribution centers on this sentence: "...Vakuran fell in battle against a mighty Over-wyrd of the Hambro-Cuth." This event took place in the later Unification Wars. I'm guessing the battle took place somewhere in Europa. Another potential clue to develop if we ever feel like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4832966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 Soooo, what's happened to Macragge and the other Ultramar worlds in our continuity? Obviously they don't benefit from a Primarch's personal touch, but what does that leave? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4834217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Well we might still have to deal with the Guilliman clan and whatever empire they mustered together. Konor sounded pretty competent, maybe we could make a footnote of the Imperium vs Ultramar. Hell Roboute could still be there as a normal general with a half Eldar advisor as a nice wink and nod to OG 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4834276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 The Guilliman family wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful. Even if Konor wasn't assasinated, he was just one of two consuls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4834288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 I agree that the Guilliman clan is much reduced in our 'verse, but what does that mean? As a consol, did Konor rule over a nation, a continent, a world, or what? Calth is obviously a planet with much unrealized potential. What about Armatura? Why was that picked as a fortress world? Also, I didn't realize Molech wasn't too far from the realm of Ultramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4834963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Speaking of molech: does icarion enter the home of the warpgods? I may have missed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4834976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'm less than keen on doing the Molech power-up thing here. I'd rather have Icarion get more and more corrupted, ultimately comitting some heinous act of ritual carnage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4835033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 Likewise. I've already jettisoned the fluff where the Emperor visited Molech to trick the Chaos gods into giving him more power. So, I'm not sure if that doorway is even there at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4835126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Which means I need another venue for Alex's visions. Aside from anything else, with Molech in the east, there's no reason for him to end up there. Icarion should gain a sizeable power boost when he finally enters the tomb of the Thunder King. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4835165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Since I'm not aware of a more direct source, I went to the wiki. It sounds like Macragge was somewhat united as a planet and a system, but there were pockets of 'barbarians' that had yet to be brought to heel. Macragge was part of a barely existing alliance of worlds that only managed some communication and light trade with each other. Furthermore, looks like Konor was doomed to be assassinated with or without Roboute's presence. So, even if Konor had survived his assassination, the ability to reform Macragge, let alone establish the realm of Ultramar were not likely to happen in any short period of time. Thus, BotL Macragge remains in the hands of Gallan and his corrupted aristocracy. Undoubtedly, Macragge will require a Compliance campaign to overthrow Gallan, who will resist the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4838265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Tempest should tell as well. That might be Gallan's successors. When should comtact be established in our timeline? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332760-readers-notes/page/4/#findComment-4838285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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