Kastor Krieg Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 black lightning on power weapons perhaps? I am loving the scientific testing approach, it always helps you find what you actually want for your minis! Epiphany: Base coat light blue, Black 2.0 mixed with crackle paint. Why is Black 2.0 better than regular black that still needs to be shaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Traitor Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just found this topic, this could be VERY interesting if it turns out rigth... Specially for chaos though :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Why is Black 2.0 better than regular black that still needs to be shaded? No one here is saying that, or has said that. This is merely a thread for experimenting with new materials that are available on the market that have little to no visibility in our hobby. I know we all hold our black here precious but I don't want to this become some discussion on the meaning of what shade we choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I also wonder if black 2.0 would be different enough to put in recesses only, like a base layer before a lighter layer. Might be something that is only visible in good light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Traitor Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I wonder how a daemon army would look if done with this... I've been thinking of doing a daemons of Malal army for a while now, and this could very well end up being the base colour for it. I'll wait to see how your test goes though, I don't want to screw up a whole army ;)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Test mini... just sayin ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Traitor Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Test mini... just sayin ;) Yes of course, what I mean is that I don't want to base and army concept around an idea that won't work, I actually plan to sculp this models and I would have to bear in mind how they should be if they don't reflect light. For example, it makes little sense to make them with scales as they would barely be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Oh wow, good luck with the sculpting. That outta be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 It has arrived! Testing will begin this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Looking forward to the results. As their website shows that they will not have more stock of this paint until the end of May, those of us who are waiting to see your testing have time to decide if this is what we want for (X) application(s). With the price tag, I hope it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wolfhart Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Any results yet? A snippet of WIP? Anything? Not like i'm excited about this, but... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 Photos tonight of the brush tests. Still waiting for parts to arrive so I can run it through the airbrush, which will be Part Deux! Teaser of the Part 1 Review: Flattest: Yes Mattest: Yes Blackest: .... stay tuned folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 OK, so here's the first set of results. Overall I think this paint could have a lot of good applications for a variety of things. First off our contenders: http://i.imgur.com/K462cFp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/24xywbS.jpg Under even lighting conditions Black 2.0 is indeed the flattest and mattest of the set, but does not have the deep black tone of the Vallejo Glossy Black. The difference doesn't really translate well via photo, however once we apply them to a more dimensional surface: http://i.imgur.com/pwN6439.jpg Black 2.0 has no specular highlights. Under direct sunlight there is an almost iridescent look to the pigments. It's very cool looking and hard to descibe, but it almost looked like digital "grain". Most likely this is due to the light scattering properties of the pigment. Next up is a 50/50 mix of Black 2.0 and Vallejo Glossy Black. Yin and Yang, as it were. http://i.imgur.com/68P4gpX.jpg The 50/50 mix begins to reflect the light slightly more. I might experiment with this mixture a bit more to get a darker tone while keeping the flatness. This is Vallejo Black Surface Primer and is what I've currently been using the basecoat my army with an airbrush. I used a brush to apply the paint on this test, but an airbrush test will soon follow as new parts arrive tomorrow! http://i.imgur.com/pdmmyUz.jpg Clearly this bridges well into the semi-gloss department. Much darker tone of black. Then we have Vallejo Glossy Black http://i.imgur.com/0D5t6nK.jpg This has the highest value of specular highlights out of the bunch, obviously. However when put into a lineup the difference is striking. http://i.imgur.com/m25cO0D.jpg So overall, flattest? Yes, by and far the flattest and mattest finish I've seen. Blackest? That is up to your interpretation of black, but in sheer tonal value the difference is clear as seen above. This paint does make for a great backdrop color. All these photos were taken on a backdrop painted with Black 2.0 - it photographs very even and since it doesn't reflect light in the slightest it gives a nice even tone. The overall value is a dark ash grey. Things I'm definitely going to use Black 2.0 for: - Muzzle heat discoloration - Exhaust stains - Terrain Upcoming airbrush tests will see how it looks on vehicles. Also doing a two tone application to some of the test minis to see how that jives. Also tried a couple experiments with crackle medium but it didn't come out so well, I'll post photos if I get better results after I play around with it some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Interesting, thanks for taking the time to do the comparison and share your results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Although in most probability I will not be using this pigment, I really appreciate the effort you put into making the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 That is a very FLAT pigment! You definitely did a great job with the side-by-side! I'm not entirely sold on the color as a surface finish, but if it works out well enough for flat/burned highlights, then you may have something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyTasty Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I feel like this black would work well for vehicles. I find large surfaces do better with a Matte though myself I use chaos black for everything because I'm a plebeian and my painting skills are moderate at best. (It comes in a spray paint can, hell yes I will use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 The Vallejo Surface Primer is not glossy when you properly apply it with an airbrush. Only overdoing it with a brush creates that gloss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Funny thing, I've used a flat black as a primer that looks a lot like that black 2.0: A flat black is great as a primer as it doesn't obscure details while still laying down a thin layer of primer. As for the Black 2.0's usage the mentioning of soot and burn damage and the like seems to be the best usage. It has an appropriately grimy look for such things without needing to deal with pigment powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Hmm... Definitely not what I was expecting based on the example pictures on their website. It actually looks pretty usable! Thanks for testing it out and showing it off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Nice! Mr. Vallejo Glossy Black looks like he just escaped some SM cave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verger Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Definitely not as advertised, sadly. It looks like chalk-board paint.Thanks for posting the comparisons. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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