vahouth Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Np :) In other news...unfortunately we lost overcharged engines in the majority of our vehicles. Only Baals now can have them. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4764801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda_Saurus_Rex Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I have access to the whole array of books in PDF, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post them here. From a first look in the Rulebook, there is no mention of terrain slowing movement. Only charging through terrain is impeded (add 2") So no more difficult terrain tests!!! Only if they are craters. It says nothing about adding 2" in ruins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4764827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) You know, it just occurred to me that since we share the same Assault Marines entry with the vanilla guys, we're probably losing access to our meltaguns. That would be awful. Yup, meltacide is gone. BA just get vanilla assault squads; only melee, pistol & meltabomb options for sgt, up to 2 can take a flamer or plasma pistol, 1 in 5 can take an eviscerator. I've not looked at vanilla sm for ages, were they always that bad? Hmm, maybe death company might have a role now as inferno/plasma pistol carriers? Deepstrike a squad of overcharged plasma for TEQ hunting. Inferno pistols might be better in a surprise rhino or jump skulking behind one since they can't get in deep strike range. Hah - or use the fly rule to CC aircraft with thunderhammers etc - given we STILL don't have any dedicated anti-flyer weapons? No drop-pod for dreads sucks. I was thinking a death company dread in a pod with magna grapple and lemartes jump dropping nearby (with some DC to go heavy infantry hunting) would make a lovely vehicle smasher. Though it might work for a turn 2 stormraven drop-off? New variant on the BBQ tactical squad; multiple units can share a transport now I think, so two 5 man squads = 2 hvy flamers, two combi weapons/stormbolters on sgt. Not so great from a pod due to 8" range, but not a bad rhino surprise. Edited May 31, 2017 by Arkhanist Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4764902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I want to like Inferno Pistols as it's one of our few ways of adding flavour, but they still seem overpriced trash. More expensive than last time. 6" range still, so you can't shoot if from a jump pack assault. Sure you can shoot it in CC, but only from your second turn in cc if you've charged- by which time you've either blown through the unit, or they've fallen back. If it was 10pts cheaper, or had 9" range I'd probably consider it. As it stands I'm probably not going to bother Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm not going to lie brothers & sisters. The new Japanese only marines in blue look amazing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm going to terribly miss my overcharged rhinos. Something that I was using for more than 12 years now. :( Quixus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 In other news...unfortunately we lost overcharged engines in the majority of our vehicles. Only Baals now can have them. I know this is us minus a proper codex, but it feels like a lot of flavour is being lost. Gumo9, vahouth and Filius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So after getting to read all the index releases, I'm pretty damn bummed out about BA. We lost so many more options than other armies, took some nerfs that hit quite hard, and gained basically nothing. Overcharged engines may as well not exist, Death Company are laughable when compared to khorne, flayed ones, TW Cavalry etc, our unique dreadnoughts are now basically the same as vanilla dreads with very small weapon differences; and with dreads no longer being able to pod in, lot of good having CC focused dreads is since they have to walk, Lemartes is the only character with any flavor whatsoever ruleswise, and we still don't have the :cussing stormtalon/hawk. Just so much wasted potential it makes me sad. Were literally marines(-) at this point till we get a codex, and that's just really :cussed. Not having melta's in our assault squads is I think what got my blood actually boiling though. Bleh. Guess I'll be playing necrons till our codex drops. Indefragable 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrbOfAntioch Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I just bought 30 more DC. Jump packs all around. I make this work guys. NTaW 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminatorAM Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Has it been confirmed if we lost Seth? I haven't seen any mention of him in the leaks so far either fluff-wise or rule-wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Seth appears to be just fine! Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Has it been confirmed if we lost Seth? I haven't seen any mention of him in the leaks so far either fluff-wise or rule-wise. Check the previous page mate ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminatorAM Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Wow, not sure how I missed that. Thanks guys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 In other news...unfortunately we lost overcharged engines in the majority of our vehicles. Only Baals now can have them. I know this is us minus a proper codex, but it feels like a lot of flavour is being lost. You should see the Space Wolves... ATSKNF. And that's it. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 In other news...unfortunately we lost overcharged engines in the majority of our vehicles. Only Baals now can have them. I know this is us minus a proper codex, but it feels like a lot of flavour is being lost. You should see the Space Wolves... ATSKNF. And that's it. I'm certain TWC and Wolfen are going to be hit super hard just like death co.....oh, farts. Filius and Indefragable 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 To be fair TWC have been nerfed with the split of attacks between the rider and the mount. No more 5 attacks with a S10 fist, now 2 attacks with a S8 fist and three doggy attacks. Wulfen still seem pretty strong, although they have been up-pointed. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrex Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So it's possible I'm missing something buttt... Sanguinary guard - angelus bolters are 9pts. SG entry says any model can replace angelus bolter with inferno or plasma pistol. Inferno pistol is 20pts... But According to SM war gear list (as it's not in BA one) - Plasma pistols are 7 points..... We can upgrade all guard to plasma and actually save 2ppm?? Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Haha wow I missed that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4765991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So it's possible I'm missing something buttt... Sanguinary guard - angelus bolters are 9pts. SG entry says any model can replace angelus bolter with inferno or plasma pistol. Inferno pistol is 20pts... But According to SM war gear list (as it's not in BA one) - Plasma pistols are 7 points..... We can upgrade all guard to plasma and actually save 2ppm?? Now that plasma isn't insta-death (unless you overcharge), AND they are less, I think plasma is now the goto weapons. Inferno (and hand flamer for other units) are more for cool points rather than actual effectiveness. Bartali 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4766020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 To be fair, it's about time the plasma pistol became a worthwhile wargear choice, but if people ever moaned about plasma spam in the game previously, boy are they going to have something to complain about in 8th! Arkhanist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4766026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) So it's possible I'm missing something buttt... Sanguinary guard - angelus bolters are 9pts. SG entry says any model can replace angelus bolter with inferno or plasma pistol. Inferno pistol is 20pts... But According to SM war gear list (as it's not in BA one) - Plasma pistols are 7 points..... We can upgrade all guard to plasma and actually save 2ppm?? The way I understand it, the point costs are cumulative, but in this case, you simply add the cost for plasma pistol. Edited June 1, 2017 by vahouth Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4766423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So it's possible I'm missing something buttt... Sanguinary guard - angelus bolters are 9pts. SG entry says any model can replace angelus bolter with inferno or plasma pistol. Inferno pistol is 20pts... But According to SM war gear list (as it's not in BA one) - Plasma pistols are 7 points..... We can upgrade all guard to plasma and actually save 2ppm?? Now that plasma isn't insta-death (unless you overcharge), AND they are less, I think plasma is now the goto weapons. Inferno (and hand flamer for other units) are more for cool points rather than actual effectiveness. Take into consideration that it is wounding on 3+ and only does 1 damage, unless you over charge in which case anything T5 or better is still only wounded on 3s where as before you would wound on 2s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4766450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Have to admit, I'm looking forward to FW's index of the IAv2SE. I know it'll be the same for every other Marine player, but we'll get an awful lot of mileage out of that book IMO. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4766748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Have to admit, I'm looking forward to FW's index of the IAv2SE. I know it'll be the same for every other Marine player, but we'll get an awful lot of mileage out of that book IMO. Yes indeed. I'm really intrigued to see how the Caestus ends up... I've used it in a criminally low amount of games since I got it. ...Just the one Apoc I think :s Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4767411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I just want the full range of Dreadnoughts available. Siege Dread with Flamestorm Cannon and siege drill with in built heavy flamer just looks so cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/51/#findComment-4767518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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