Silverson Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) @jbird the game was really good and a lot of fun, the best part for me was synergising my characters with my units to bring some really good buffs that i thought would really add an extra layer to my army, it also helps that the sanguinor, sanguinary guard and mephiston are all great it would appear this edition so i'm very happy with it so far. The "hits automatically" is not a modifier to BS.If the flamer didn't have that rule, it would have a -1 modifier for moving and shooting.As the flamer rule does not apply a modifier, then the overwatch rules caveat doesn't apply. I tried to find this on the weapon previews but no luck relating to overwatch and its interaction with conflicting rules sadly. The "hits automatically" is not a modifier to BS.If the flamer didn't have that rule, it would have a -1 modifier for moving and shooting.As the flamer rule does not apply a modifier, then the overwatch rules caveat doesn't apply. cheers dude that is a very sound answer and one i will be producing to my gaming group with which i'm sure they will agree with. thanks very much guys, now to go order my books Edited June 3, 2017 by Silverson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Anyone placing a pre-order today? The wife gave me the okay to do it. (for the box) I am just going to pick up the Space marine index for now, the Xenos etc. will have to come at a later date. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 Imperial 1 & 2, Battle Guage ruler, Tactical Cards & the FW marine book. The last one being the one I'm most excited for, as I'm hoping we just get access to it all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Nope, not buying anything before the BA get a proper codex or are included in faction SM. I vote with my wallet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedratsailor Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 FW order in. Got almost 5 hours till I can place my GW order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 No order placed. I want the 112 page mini rulebook. Hopefully they release another BA v Nids mini set with it in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 No order placed. I want the 112 page mini rulebook. Hopefully they release another BA v Nids mini set with it in. Same, so annoying they don't do it separately. Quixus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Box set and Imperial 1 and 2. My stealer cult can wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4769764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just ordered the box and imperial 1. I can wait on imperial 2 since all I need from that is the knight section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) I ended up picking up the box and Imperial book 1. Will be doing Emperor's Spears as my primaris army, but Carmine Blades are first. Edited June 4, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdle-durdle Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I just noticed that the sternguard special issue bolter is ap-2. I was just thinking it was a longer range bolter, But that's pretty nice. A unit of 10 in cover could make a pretty decent shooting unit, Though I can't decide if 190 would be too expensive for what they do, when I could buy nearly 2 assbacks for that price. Still, with the way wounding works, they wound most non-heavy vehicles on 5's, and drop their saves to a 5+. It's pretty good all around I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Skipping through the vehicle stats, I saw that the Vindicator has a toughness of 8 instead of the default 7. Is this because of the siege shield? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Skipping through the vehicle stats, I saw that the Vindicator has a toughness of 8 instead of the default 7. Is this because of the siege shield? Probably. The Hunter and Stalker both have T8 also. Note that all 3 have M10 instead of M12 like other Rhino chassis. vahouth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I ordered Index Imperial 1 at my LFGS yesterday, as I'm not too needy for more things to paint. I'm hoping basic rules and index will carry me for now, and I can borrow store copies of the books to use the missions out of. I got a Tempestus force assembled, and inquisitor and retinue stuff, but I'd rather play some BA and learn the system before branching out too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4770971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 New addition, about the Campaign characters: Arenos Karlaen (BA 1st) > gone Kyrin Solaq (RG 5th) > gone Krom Dragongaze (SW drakeslayers) > got his own rules Just ranting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4771500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 New addition, about the Campaign characters: Arenos Karlaen (BA 1st) > gone Kyrin Solaq (RG 5th) > gone Krom Dragongaze (SW drakeslayers) > got his own rules Just ranting. Karlaen is because his model is just sold as "BA Terminator Captain" now.... For some unknown reason. Solaq is only available as part of the "Company Command" box, which is the command squad with his model - now just a generic captain. Krom was released as his own model so he got rules. A shame but eh, whatcha gunna do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4771937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdle-durdle Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I'm excited to build some vanguard vets with 2 chainswords. I've always thought that would look awesome but never really had any reason to build that model till now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Another clarification: If the model says it could take something from the melee weapons list, could we give them an encarmine weapon? Sanguinary Priests seem to be the BA specific unit this could apply to, but I'm not sure of the "basic" stuff like Tacticals, Assault Squads, etc. EDIT: Looked at a few, and the Assault Squad sergeant and any Vanguard Veteran can replace weapons from the Melee Weapons List, which our chapter entries add to, but the other sergeants, like tacticals, scouts, and sternguard, can choose from the Sergeant's Equipment List. Edited June 5, 2017 by Father Mapple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Another clarification: If the model says it could take something from the melee weapons list, could we give them an encarmine weapon? Sanguinary Priests seem to be the BA specific unit this could apply to, but I'm not sure of the "basic" stuff like Tacticals, Assault Squads, etc. No. The wargear breakout on pg 89 says BA units add hand flamers & inferno pistols to the 'pistol' and 'sergeant' lists, and heavy flamers are added to the 'heavy weapons' list. No additional melee weapons are added. This means, in this case, that encarmine weapons are only available to those datasheets that specifically list them as a wargear option. That's sanguinary guard and SG ancient for encarmine sword and axe, and sanguinor for encarmine broadsword - I don't think any other units have it listed off the top of my head. Father Mapple 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Another clarification: If the model says it could take something from the melee weapons list, could we give them an encarmine weapon? Sanguinary Priests seem to be the BA specific unit this could apply to, but I'm not sure of the "basic" stuff like Tacticals, Assault Squads, etc. No. The wargear breakout on pg 89 says BA units add hand flamers & inferno pistols to the 'pistol' and 'sergeant' lists, and heavy flamers are added to the 'heavy weapons' list. No additional melee weapons are added. This means, in this case, that encarmine weapons are only available to those datasheets that specifically list them as a wargear option. That's sanguinary guard and SG ancient for encarmine sword and axe, and sanguinor for encarmine broadsword - I don't think any other units have it listed off the top of my head. Which sucks hard. A Blood Angel Librarian cant have a inferno pistol. Guess I will stick with 4 heavy flamers devastator until BA got their own dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Thanks! I make money for models by being a lawyer, but I paint way more than I spend my free or hobby time giving close, analytical textual breakdowns of the rules. I do it enough for work! Heck, when a rules dispute comes up at my table, I just offer to dice off or do it the way the opponent says. I fight too much at work to do so in the hobby. lol. Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Another clarification: If the model says it could take something from the melee weapons list, could we give them an encarmine weapon? Sanguinary Priests seem to be the BA specific unit this could apply to, but I'm not sure of the "basic" stuff like Tacticals, Assault Squads, etc. No. The wargear breakout on pg 89 says BA units add hand flamers & inferno pistols to the 'pistol' and 'sergeant' lists, and heavy flamers are added to the 'heavy weapons' list. No additional melee weapons are added. This means, in this case, that encarmine weapons are only available to those datasheets that specifically list them as a wargear option. That's sanguinary guard and SG ancient for encarmine sword and axe, and sanguinor for encarmine broadsword - I don't think any other units have it listed off the top of my head. Which sucks hard. A Blood Angel Librarian cant have a inferno pistol. Guess I will stick with 4 heavy flamers devastator until BA got their own dex. Librarians have access to pistols. So can get inferno Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathcompanyDante Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just double checking... do you still get +1 attack on the charge? Thinking about making my burning of prospero set into 3 squads of foot boltgun chainsword DC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Haha I just made some foot D.C. Using the mk3 guys! But no, you generally do not. DC still do get the extra attack for charging due to the black rage rule. Edited June 5, 2017 by Brother Lemartes DeathcompanyDante 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathcompanyDante Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Aw mahnnn... Still probably going to do it though 4 attacks on the charge each still adds up to 40 with re-rolls if i get astorath nearby... and if the Sanguinor is nearby as well its back up to 5 Plus it will hopefully look cool :) Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333154-8th-edition-ba/page/53/#findComment-4772544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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