hopes, dreams, and fears for sisters in 8th

[taikishi]

Where is this book cover you're talking about? The only ones I've seen are the Chaos and Astartes ones on the community site.

Also, as much as this dual wielding primaris pistol marines me off and is yet another nail in GW's coffin for me, I am reminded of my 2nd Edition Death Company wielding a variety of pistols and other weapons within the squad so there is precedence... from about 20 years ago.

[Rod.H]

But those are assault marines equivalents, though their dual pistols probably have better stats then what Seraphim use as they're using a boltgun with shield in each hand. Downside probably max 3 man squad with a point cost of 10 Seraphim with, superior, 4 flamers, powerweapon &  plasmapistol. 

[Atrus]

 

Didn't you hear mate? Sisters, astra and knights are going to be spread I've 2 books. Yeah, agents and astral in book 1 and knights in book 2 with the mechanics and other tech dudes ;)

Was it just the main rules that are the free ppdf.

Also forgeworld is confirmed to be updating their range to 8th. First imperial armour books will focus on marines and chaos with everyone else getting their before end of June.

They say all models they currently make will have rules....as well as some classics.

Here's hoping the repressor is one of those classics.

 

 

But..you're wrong. They posted images of the book covers. And the book covers say what is in them..

Liessssss...only half of each faction will be in each book- may, half a paragraph of each paragraph from each faction section will be spread out over the two books so all imperial players must buy 2 books! Mwahahaha.

 

On a serious note: I didn't even notice the faction listings in each book.

 

8th still can't come quick enough and neither can our rules. The cities of death this today was a waste of time-consuming I want sisters spoilers now! Though more than likely our spoiler will be as part of imperial agents and the spotlight will be on grey knights and deathwatch with a passing mention. I shall dare to anticipate the quote.

 

"Sisters of Battle: these girls are still around " and thatll be it.

[Servant of Dante]

So. This is certainly a thing. Lovely news to wake up to -_-

 

As I've said, I've accepted that Sisters don't have that much unique equipment, but GW may have crossed a bit of a line, for me. Seraphim, are hands down my favorite unit in this game, and I was so happy that Sisters would have the only dual pistols unit in 8th, but I suppose I should have seen this coming.

Edit: only unit that comes stock with dual pistols. I know SM vets can buy dual pistols

 

I suppose we're Faction: We Can't Have Nice Things.

 

At least we can be proud that our 20 year old dual pistol jump infantry sculpts look infinitely better than a brand new GW kit.

 

But really GW? By the Emperor, we couldn't have just this one thing?

 

Sigh. Well, ok. I mean, this doesn't change my plans. I'm still going to play my Sisters in 8th, just now everyone I play with is going to have to put up with me complaining about how GW stole my Seraphim's theme and gave it to the marines. Makes me want to punch a cherub. :P

 

Edit: at this point it's kinda funny, and all I can say is Well Played GW, you haven't actually lost any future sales you were going to get from me, I'm still going to by the 8E Sisters rules, and now you get to sell those new kits to all the marine players. For some reason I'm not even that mad, just kinda disappointed.

[BitsHammer]

Seraphim still look better than the Jet Pack Marines...

 

We've been having Marines rip us off since we got an army, let's not get stress out about this.

 

GW FB confirmed we're under the "Imperial Agents" header. Should have seen that coming with our last "codex" to be honest.

[Banjulhu]

How dare GW make new units rather than remake old models people already own in an attempt to widen their target audience?

[Knight of the Raven]

It's rather 'more space marines? OH COME ON' as far as I'm concerned.

[BitsHammer]

I love the CSM for this box in terms of model quality, but I'm less about complaing about more Marines at this point and more complaining about more armies with Rhinos.

 

I've built so many of those things over the years I just don't want to build anymore. Not even the Sisters Rhino/Immolator kit can salvage how tired I am of building Rhinos.

[Servant of Dante]

See, I'm not actually bent out of shape over this, I just had to complain a bit when they go and rip of Seraphim. :D I was half chuckling as I wrote my initial post. Like I said, it's almost actually funny at this point, no sarcasm intended.

 

And of course the primaris will never look as good as Seraphim :P

 

The rest is exactly what I expected. We're in the "Imperium, but not marines" book, and I'm not sure if we'll ever get updated past these "get took by" rules, but I'm honestly OK with that.

[Beams]

Not gonna lie, I am a little bit upset at the Seramarines. Not that GW shouldn't be making new models, just that it's more and more looking like everything we do that's unique, Marines do better...

 

Well, at the very least, it means that if they ever squat sisters, sisters as Marines just got easier.

[Banjulhu]

Sisters will never be squatted. Actively killing off a race causes push back from the fans. GW know that now.

No, the Sisters wont be killed, they'll just be ignored until they are eventually forgotten about.

[Servant of Dante]

Well, they're going to have to wait till I'm dead at the very least for Sisters to actually be forgotten about :D

[BitsHammer]

Sisters will never be squatted. Actively killing off a race causes push back from the fans. GW know that now.

No, the Sisters wont be killed, they'll just be ignored until they are eventually forgotten about.

It,s bad enough people who don't play Sisters spout such heretical nonsense but when those who do play them try riding that dead horse my trigger finger begins to ache.

 

Here's a crash course on why Sisters aren't going away:

1. Shield of Baal brought us no rules, but a lot of heavilly dedicated lore, and new artwork. No recycled stuff here, but some dang good stuff and a lot of importance in the setting.

2. More lore and new art in the Gathering Storm as well. Not only were we a part of the story but as a faction we were a core component.

3. CELESTINE AND THE WONDER TWINS CAME OUT IN PLASTIC. We now see plastic Sisters can be done. No longer is the limits of their equipment a factor on us getting updated models.

4. The finecast Canoness outsold the Anniversary Marine with his free gun despite not having any outstanding equipment or rules. She proved alone that there is a strong support for Sisters, even in a less than ideal material.

5. WE'RE IN THE NEW EDITION. Squats were removed whenn the game changed editions and rules formats. If they were going to remove Sisters this was literally the best time to do it (they could have even made it part of the fluff like Guilliman banning the Ministorum from existing or something) but they didn't.

 

Now I won't claim we're going to see support right away for them. In fact I have a feeling that when we get an update we may go through a series of radical changes to be less like Space Marines (new vehicles, different guns, ect). The core of the army will still be there, but some of the details may change.

 

And honestly, that should be a good thing. The less we're like Marines the less Marines can rip us off. I mean what's next? Heavy flamer tacticals? :P

[Brother Christopher]

This is curious. Ever since I started playing 40K back in 5th edition, out of all the forces of the Imperium, my favourite factions are my Black Templars and the Sisters of Battle. Back then I knew little about actual viability of the forces I like and I made my choices entirely on fluff basis. The interesting thing is that both BT and SOB (and admittedly, SOB are in a way worse spot) receive the similar treatment from GW and are 'problematic' factions that I feel they'd like to kill off/extinguish as remnants of a bygone era.

And introducing 'Primaris' Marines, instead of a new Sisters/IG (or *spits* Chaos) line is a move. With the apparently cool rules for the new edition, the fluff part and army treatment still remains hugely dissapointing.

Keep Crusading, or what it is that you do!

[Servant of Dante]

You mean like how Blood Angels can already take heavy flamers in tactical squads?

 

And, honestly, I'd be upset if we got random new weaponry in place of the boltgun, even if it would make us more dissimilar from space marines

[BitsHammer]

You mean like how Blood Angels can already take heavy flamers in tactical squads?

And, honestly, I'd be upset if we got random new weaponry in place of the boltgun, even if it would make us more dissimilar from space marines.

I don,t think we'll stop having bolters, I just thing the stats might change with changes to ammo or perhaps the number of shots or the like. I mean the new Intercessors basically all get Kraken rounds in theirs, so it's not like we can't see a different pattern of Bolter for us getting different rules.

 

That said, I could happily lose Rhinos as our main transport of choice if we got something sutable as a replacement. Mostly because while the Rhino is a reliable workhorse of the Imperium, we need more things that stand apart from the masses and keep us from looking like we're Diet Marines in terms of equipment and options.

 

I mean, if they justify it right I can stomach them removing the Holy Trinity in exchange for a slew of weapons designed for capturing heretics and killing witches.

 

Also more stuff like the Condemer. We need more semi-backwards stuff like crossbows mounted on guns.

[Red_Shift]

My first thought on seeing the new marines was they look like a poor rendition of the seraphim concept. It doesn't bode well for a sisters release.

[Banjulhu]

I can just see our stats coming out at Mv 5 WS 4+ BS 3+ S3 T3 A1 W1 Ld 7 and all our kit being bog basic 8th ed versions of what the rest of the Imperium have. If we're lucky we may drop to 9 to 10pts a model but I can honestly see us coming in at 12pts still because the marine drop to 13pts will have been done to account for how And They Shall Know No Fear is no longer all powerful which is not something we would need an adjustment for.

One thing I kind of dread but also expect is for Acts of Faith to vanish and be replaced by a single stratagem.

[BitsHammer]

My first thought on seeing the new marines was they look like a poor rendition of the seraphim concept. It doesn't bode well for a sisters release.

You say that, but we've seen they know how to make Sisters look right:

 

I don't think we have to compare who got the better models here. :P

 

Seriously, considering what we've seen, we can basically ignore how good/bad we think the new Marines are because they have nothing to do with how Sisters look.

[WarriorFish]

Indeed, this is about Sisters in 8th - not yet another incorrect topic about Sisters being squatted or how rubbish the Primaris jump troops look. Back to Sisters in 8th please. Thanks.

[Daimhin]

Indeed, this is about Sisters in 8th - not yet another incorrect topic about Sisters being squatted or how rubbish the Primaris jump troops look. Back to Sisters in 8th please. Thanks.

 

It is actually relevant - the fact that Sisters aren't listed as a faction in and of themselves indicates that they are unlikely to have their portfolio of troops and vehicles increased or overhauled and suggests rather that they will have updated rules/ points but won't be fundamentally reviewed.

[WarriorFish]

That's nothing to do with squatting.

[micahwc]

I'd guess they will be under "Imperial Agents". Worst case scenario they end up as a troop choice for Xenos inquisitors. I imagine the index will kind of be like the Codex Imperial Agents; in that they will list an ecclesiarchy priest in one place; and refer back to it wherever applicable. So the same priest will be available to Astra Militarum, SOBs, and as part of an inquisition retinue.

 

I'm pretty excited as I want to run SOBs and Imperial Guard, both of which are in the same book.

[Servant of Dante]

Yeah, though remember that if there are Strategems for Sisters only, you'll only be able to use them if you're playing only models with the Adepta Sororitas keyword (unless I'm missing something).

 

If that's the case, and AoFs get rolled into strategems (ugh) we might not even have access to AoFs if we take allies :P

[A.T.]

I'm pretty excited as I want to run SOBs and Imperial Guard, both of which are in the same book.

 

Back when this was an option in the WH book you pretty quickly reached a point of wondering why you were running the Sisters, they didn't really mesh.

Then again sisters of that era were reliant on their own units for faith, had zealots for bodies, and the game had a less apocalyptic style.

 

The army has always been a bit odd in the sense of being presented as a source of allies, but not having any really notable specialist/elite units to ally out.