Marshal Rohr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 No wonder the 13th Black Crusade failed. Abaddon, Chief Lord of Unreality, Master of the End Times, Despoiler of Worlds waited ten thousand years to ritually unleash his forces on the Imperium, only to do so a century too early because of some rounding errors in Imperial records. That is why Guilliman was able to awaken and halt his plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Question about how Guilliman's impression of the Emperor's view: Could it be possible that this view is what the Emperor wanted Guilliman to see, rather than an accurate view? The reason i ask is because each of the beings that communicated with the Emperor in Master of Mankind heard the message in the format that best met their perspective. So maybe here the Emperor wants Guilliman pissed and angry at the state of the Imperium, because that will allow Guilliman to enact the changes that are so needed? If the Emperor thought Guilliman would be best motivated with daddy's love, Guilliman would have left the encounter feeling loved. From my perspective, how the Emperor actually feels is still a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazguire Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Question about how Guilliman's impression of the Emperor's view: Could it be possible that this view is what the Emperor wanted Guilliman to see, rather than an accurate view? The reason i ask is because each of the beings that communicated with the Emperor in Master of Mankind heard the message in the format that best met their perspective. So maybe here the Emperor wants Guilliman pissed and angry at the state of the Imperium, because that will allow Guilliman to enact the changes that are so needed? If the Emperor thought Guilliman would be best motivated with daddy's love, Guilliman would have left the encounter feeling loved. From my perspective, how the Emperor actually feels is still a mystery. More to the point, maybe The Emperor is so direly injured and withered that he's incapable of any kind of real subtlety or personal communication anymore? I don't see The Emperor as some kind of active God, but now so haggard and near dead that he's essentially acting on auto-pilot with what he does: providing the Astronomicon being chief among them. Essentially nothing more than a bio-machine with prodigious psychic powers shackled to a life support chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Bought it, and so far, not regretting it. Fulgrim is awesome, and I like Haley's Guilliman as well. It definitely has an edge of 'I'll explain X a little more because we want new people to get into it,' but it's quality writing from Haley as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Is Marneus gonna go all Luther on us? Say it ain't so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Calgar will be pushing what? 8-900 years old now that this is a hundred years after the 13th Black Crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Calgar will be pushing what? 8-900 years old now that this is a hundred years after the 13th Black Crusade I think he was about 4-500 as Cassius was older.. So I would say around 650 maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 For the AoS followers, some maggoths appear in the hordes too. This pleases me immensely. I'll have to pick one or two up to field alongside my Death Guard in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Ok so plenty has been covered so far, but I just wanted to add my thoughts on the Lost Legion material. Not only do we have Cawl having already made some Primarii from the traitor/lost legion geneseed, but do we have a character from that Legion at the end? The final battle is against the daemon who calls himself, "Qaramar of the Lost Second." Now, that could certainly be read as another title having to do with time (all the clocks and other Nurgle symbolism), but it could also be that this is a guy who was taken from the one of the Lost Legions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Could someone clarify it, please? As I've understood it (via various posts) does Cawl want to use traitor and lost geneseed but RG forbade it. Is that correct or do we really have traitor and / or lost Primaris already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Why not read the book? This is how 40K wiki and other ridiculous urban legends get started. It seems only 5% of the fanbase actually reads the background, the rest just throw together rough summaries from the internet, and then defend their half-formed assumptions to the death. I thought that mentality only applied to the rules. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 As I've understood it (via various posts) does Cawl want to use traitor and lost geneseed but RG forbade it. Is that correct or do we really have traitor and / or lost Primaris already? Cawl has certainly experimented with the implantation of geneseed from the lost and traitor Legions and is confident enough in his results to request on numerous occasions that Guilliman allow him to put Primaris lines based on their stock into full production. He's definitely produced something resembling viable Primaris Marines from their stock as he comments on the absence of "...unwelcome tendencies within the recipients." Guilliman has refused him at every asking and seems unlikely to change his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Would love to read the book but amazon doesn't provide it. Or at least I can't find it. ^^ Just wanted to be clear in order to negate such false allegations like you've mentioned, Withershadow. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dark Imperium is now listed on Amazon, as of tonight, alongside a host of other titles. The paperback is due December/January, though, which in my eyes is a big faux pas considering this is the introduction novel.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Thanks, DC. But it's currently only available as a paperback pre purchase. Most likely will they upload the e-book format in the next days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronze Beast in the Dark Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Is this available as an ebook now? I doesnt say preorder on the BL website like it does for the Hardback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Yeah you can get the eBook now. It's how all these spoilers have been posted! And I highly recommend getting it. Very well done novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Guilliman does not come across as a Mary Sue in this...at all Blinded by rage or righteous indignation or whatnot, Guilliman (at the head of his UM + successor fleet) chases Fulgrim into an ambush. After realising his mistake, instead of cutting his losses and executing a fighting withdrawal, he compounds his mistake by ignoring his captains' counsel and attempting a desperate boarding action with the goal of slaying Fulgrim. This ends in catastrophe and Guilliman is placed in a stasis field (after Daemon snake-thing Fulgrim utterly dominates him in a lop-sided duel). Guilliman's memories just prior to stasis are of bitter, utter failure. Seems Haley is breaking Guilliman down to build him back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E_50_Panzer Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Guilliman does not come across as a Mary Sue in this...at all I like it. I'm waiting for the Hardback though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Guilliman does not come across as a Mary Sue in this...at all Blinded by rage or righteous indignation or whatnot, Guilliman (at the head of his UM + successor fleet) chases Fulgrim into an ambush. After realising his mistake, instead of cutting his losses and executing a fighting withdrawal, he compounds his mistake by ignoring his captains' counsel and attempting a desperate boarding action with the goal of slaying Fulgrim. This ends in catastrophe and Guilliman is placed in a stasis field (after Daemon snake-thing Fulgrim utterly dominates him in a lop-sided duel). Guilliman's memories just prior to stasis are of bitter, utter failure. Seems Haley is breaking Guilliman down to build him back up. Hopefully he can rescue his character after Annandale playing to the boring sterotype. I never wanted to read Gulliman again after the primarchs book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I'm honestly surprised at the whole stereotypical-Guilliman-in-Primarchs thing. Wasn't that pretty much the point? Showing the Primarchs in their early days, showing how they used to be or what made them what they are? Where, if not there, is it perfectly reasonable to see a Primarch in his "stereotypical" incarnation? The series was never going to give you earthshattering revelations that would make the characters do a 180° turn. They were supposed to capture their essence and some of their conflicts. Roboute Guilliman: Lord of Ultramar did that. He is a bureaucrat caught between being a pragmatic warleader and an idealistic warrior. It showcases how his idealistic streak sometimes stands clear in the way of what he, pragmatically, needs to do to achieve victory. It showcases some of his inherent hypocrisy, too, telling his sons that one day they'll need to get by without him while at the same time arguing that he alone can do what needs to be done. It even shows him chafing at the way the Emperor ordered him and the XIII to humble Lorgar and co. Yes, it is still wrapped in a battle-heavy action novel, but Guilliman is far better depicted than people give Annandale credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Calgar will be pushing what? 8-900 years old now that this is a hundred years after the 13th Black Crusade golly gee! I'm honestly surprised at the whole stereotypical-Guilliman-in-Primarchs thing. Wasn't that pretty much the point? Showing the Primarchs in their early days, showing how they used to be or what made them what they are? Where, if not there, is it perfectly reasonable to see a Primarch in his "stereotypical" incarnation? The series was never going to give you earthshattering revelations that would make the characters do a 180° turn. They were supposed to capture their essence and some of their conflicts. Roboute Guilliman: Lord of Ultramar did that. He is a bureaucrat caught between being a pragmatic warleader and an idealistic warrior. It showcases how his idealistic streak sometimes stands clear in the way of what he, pragmatically, needs to do to achieve victory. It showcases some of his inherent hypocrisy, too, telling his sons that one day they'll need to get by without him while at the same time arguing that he alone can do what needs to be done. It even shows him chafing at the way the Emperor ordered him and the XIII to humble Lorgar and co. Yes, it is still wrapped in a battle-heavy action novel, but Guilliman is far better depicted than people give Annandale credit for. wow I agree with every word DC said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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