Servant of Dante Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) ^actually I gave the BSS a morale bonus above 10 models in my 7E fandex, though I can't claim to be that prescient, since it was mostly because I thought my AoF system encouraged MSU and wanted to encentivise large squads. And yeah, it's simply ridiculous and arbitrary that we can't take 20 in a BSS anymore, especially when chaos still can. The 20 strong BSS was one of my favorite units. An extra special/heavy would be nice too I guess, though I don't consider it that big of a deal. Edited July 18, 2017 by Servant of Dante Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Yeah, I can see that actually making them somewhat more worthwhile. I mean, because of Commissars a unit of Conscripts is always going to be the best bubble wrap unit for the foreseeable future, but a 20 strong unit with Ld 9, a 3+, a 6++ and extra weapons (maybe extra special at 15, extra heavy or special at 20?) would definitely beef them up a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I have seen Conscripts three times in this edition and each time I have been blown away at how easy they are to deal with. They are a clear case of good on paper and in theory, not so much in practice. GodwynDi and Beams 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I think the point is how cheap they are for 60 of them. They suck up bullets, and don't take up that large of a chunk of your points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) I think the point is how cheap they are for 60 of them. They suck up bullets, and don't take up that large of a chunk of your points. Oh, I know. Believe me, I know. I also play against players who use snipers well and without a Commissar, conscripts aren't even worth their points as bullet sponges. If I am playing Imperium and am not using Battle Sisters, my go to squad(even if I am supporting Sisters) for troops are Tempestus Scions. The right weapon at the right place combined with the right order goes a long way! Then my plasma boys and melta girls can have a playdate. Edited July 18, 2017 by CaptainMarsh Servant of Dante 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 9 arcoflagellants backed by a preist should kill approximately 21 conscripts on the charge, with a pretty wide variance haha The priest should add another one? And they are definitely failing morale, so add one more from the commisar. In 2000 pts I'm totally expecting to bring either 2 squads of arcos or 1 Arco and 1 Repentia? But yeah, Conscripts are great at holding the line if you dont have snipers. Still, I'm not too keen on buying and painting 51 more infantry women, haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) ... without a Commissar ... This should never even be considered as an option. Taking 50 self-propelled sandbags without a commissar is a waste of 6 points. @Beams, You gotta watch out for that over watch, tho. 100 Lasguns shots might actually cause a wound or two :) Edited July 18, 2017 by Jacinda Commander Dawnstar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 ... without a Commissar ... This should never even be considered as an option. Taking 50 self-propelled sandbags without a commissar is a waste of 6 points. @Beams, You gotta watch out for that over watch, tho. 100 Lasguns shots might actually cause a wound or two Commissars, at least in my experience, almost always get killed. Hence my, "without a commissar" comment.:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 ... without a Commissar ... This should never even be considered as an option. Taking 50 self-propelled sandbags without a commissar is a waste of 6 points. @Beams, You gotta watch out for that over watch, tho. 100 Lasguns shots might actually cause a wound or two :) Haha, that's what the rhinos for! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Im a little dirty that IG veteran squads can take 3 special and 2 heavy in a squad of 10... Edit: seruously, ig BSS kept their current options anf Celestians could take 2 heavy anf 3 special, this alone would make Celestians worthwhile. Celestians as they are now are such a missed opportunity. Hopefully geedub gets an epiphany for them with the dex. Edited July 19, 2017 by Atrus Beams 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Im a little dirty that IG veteran squads can take 3 special and 2 heavy in a squad of 10...I recall this being fluffed that on paper these vet 'squads' were viewed by the munitorium as the low strength 'platoons' they started life as and thus got supplied like it. One special from the command element and a special and heavy each from both of the line elements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Commissars, at least in my experience, almost always get killed. Hence my, "without a commissar" comment. ??? Do they just get left standing in the open? There shouldn't be enough snipers that would have him in LOS to put 4 wounds on him any time soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSquig Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) A lucky shot (6) of a Vindicare Assasin for a 1d6 wounds. But its a < 8% to deal 4 or more wounds in a single turn 83% for the hit, 16% to wound with a 6, 50% for 4 wounds or more. Edited July 19, 2017 by RedSquig Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why are we discussing the use of Conscripts in the Sisters Tactica? :P If you do want to run Conscripts, at least model them as Frateris Militia or Redemptionists! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSquig Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why are we discussing the use of Conscripts in the Sisters Tactica? If you do want to run Conscripts, at least model them as Frateris Militia or Redemptionists! MrFlutterPie, Gen.Steiner and Servant of Dante 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 There we go! Redemptionists. Just need some lasguns to bring them kicking and screaming into the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why? Because Sisters Tactica includes all Imperium with the changes in 8th, and there isn't a better bubble wrap squad than Conscripts in the Imperium lists :P Plus there are at least a few of us that believe certain pieces of the Imperium Armory should be part of our army list anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why are we discussing the use of Conscripts in the Sisters Tactica? Point taken. Like anything esle they are an option but the finer points of how to use them belong in another section. Gen.Steiner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Agreed, though perhaps a thread about allies for Sisters in 8th would be a good idea, if that's something people want to talk about more :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 A thread for allies within Sisters armies would be good. I think that here we should confine discussion to the Adeptus Ministorum alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why? Because Sisters Tactica includes all Imperium with the changes in 8th, and there isn't a better bubble wrap squad than Conscripts in the Imperium lists :P Plus there are at least a few of us that believe certain pieces of the Imperium Armory should be part of our army list anyway. Imperium Army tactica includes all imperium units Adeptus Ministorum includes church and sisters Adepta Sororitas includes sisters [Order] tactica includes: Canoness BS Squad Imagifier Mistress of Repentance Repentia Celestians Dominions Seraphim Retributors Exorcists Rhinos Immolators And finally, Repressors While I agree Conscripts are good, they fit in Imperium Amries, Genestealer armies, Astra Militarum and [regiment] armies, not Adepta Sororitas armies. Vigrid Of Asgaror 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 And here's where I disagree. 'The name of the thread is "Tactics and musings for 8th Edition" not "(Ministorum/Sororitas/Sisters/whatever) Tactics and musings for 8th Edition". Discussing Conscripts, or any other Imperium unit, and its strengths and weaknesses or its benefits/flaws vs. a Sisters unit or the like is completely on-topic. Think of them, as stated above, as Frateris Militia or Redemptionists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4824997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 ....Are we... are we not in the Adepta Sororitas forum? GodwynDi 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4825008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Are those units not eligible for us to take, and therefor invalid for discussion on tactics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4825011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 From a puritan point of view, every mention of non-ministorum is grounds for immediate immolation. Personally id rather see a thread dedicated to viable allies fir sisters and the tactics they bring. Bringiing those sorts of things into this topic gets my flamer trigger finger itchin... In other news, those make for sweet redemptionist models. Id talk more but then thars going into wishlisting for a future vodex. On topic...how reckon blob sisters (100+) would fair this edition? Run imagifier and dialogus close behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/18/#findComment-4825046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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