taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 How would you keep 1 imagifier and 1 diagolus near that many squads? You're talking at least 7 battle sister squads (so a brigade or two battalions) and even with a 6" range, trying to keep all those units within 6" of both would probably be somewhat difficult. It would be one hell of a sight to behold, though, and only 1000 points before equipment and the rest of the required units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) From a puritan point of view, every mention of non-ministorum is grounds for immediate immolation. Personally id rather see a thread dedicated to viable allies fir sisters and the tactics they bring. Bringiing those sorts of things into this topic gets my flamer trigger finger itchin... In other news, those make for sweet redemptionist models. Id talk more but then thars going into wishlisting for a future vodex. On topic...how reckon blob sisters (100+) would fair this edition? Run imagifier and dialogus close behind. If you've got the models, you should try it. I feel like you'd want to throw quite a few Imagifiers in there, just to make them faster and then 2ish cannonesses to get reroll, but I'd reckon it's be pretty powerful, especially if you throw in some special weapons. Edited July 19, 2017 by Beams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Commissars, at least in my experience, almost always get killed. Hence my, "without a commissar" comment. ??? Do they just get left standing in the open? There shouldn't be enough snipers that would have him in LOS to put 4 wounds on him any time soon. People in my area play plenty of Officio Assasonorum and the Space Marine players almost exclusively use Scouts with Sniper Rifles. I once faced fifty sniper rifles. It was annoying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Return the favor with Ratlings :D Cheaper, so you can get more them in an army, and have the same level of effectiveness as Marine Scouts plus can snipe then move!!! As for Atrus' idea, I kind of want to theorycraft that to see what a 2K force with 1000 pts (minimum) tied up into BSS, Imagifiers and Dialoguses (Dailogus? Dailogi?) looks like on paper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Return the favor with Ratlings Cheaper, so you can get more them in an army, and have the same level of effectiveness as Marine Scouts plus can snipe then move!!! As for Atrus' idea, I kind of want to theorycraft that to see what a 2K force with 1000 pts (minimum) tied up into BSS, Imagifiers and Dialoguses (Dailogus? Dailogi?) looks like on paper. I go the opposite, generally. While there are beefy death characters of doom, most characters are purchased for their buffs. I tend to try and field enough dakka/the right type of dakka for the situation, and remove all those units they are buffing. My characters might get it but by the time they turn their full attention to my actual army, I tend to have a significant field presence advantage. They might still have the buffs, but I have the shots, and as great as buffs can be it is rare that piles of the dead can use them. Unless they're Necron.:P Of course this is a very general overview. I do at times use my Space Marine Scouts (I own some, no Ratlings) if I need Snipers, I can borrow a Vindicaire, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Incidentally, always doublecheck BattleScribe if you use it. I was going to do a comparison of Sniper Scouts and Ratlings and the most recent .bsi is only charging 12ppm for sniper Scouts instead of 15 and is only charging you 3 points for camo cloaks, not 3ppm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I don't use BattleScribe. I have the Codexes on tap and a long commute to double check math.:P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Sample force off of Atrus' idea. Dropped down to 5 BSS (75 battle sisters) to try to fit in points for everything. All of the superiors have chainswords since they're free and don't cost us a weapon anymore. HQCanoness w/ Power axe & BP Canoness w/ Eviscerator & BP Celestine w/ 2 Geminae Troops15 Battle Sisters w/ 3 Storm Bolters 15 Battle Sisters w/ 3 Storm Bolters 15 Battle Sisters w/ 3 Storm Bolters 15 Battle Sisters w/ 3 Storm Bolters 15 Battle Sisters w/ 3 Storm Bolters ElitesDialogus Dialogus Imagifier Imagifier Imagifier Fast Attack5 Dominions w/ 4 Meltaguns, 1 Combi-plasma 5 Dominions w/ 4 Meltaguns, 1 Combi-plasma 5 Seraphim w/ 4 Inferno Pistols, Power sword Heavy Support5 Retributors w/ 3 Heavy Bolters 5 Retributors w/ 3 Heavy Bolters 5 Retributors w/ 3 Heavy Bolters Dedicated TransportSororitas Repressor Sororitas Repressor 19 drops for deployment, 117 models Edited July 19, 2017 by taikishi Sister Alessia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Why Repressors?Oh hang on. You can shoot from inside them. So Dominion transports. Right? Sister Alessia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Alessia Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Cool list! If only I could afford that many Battle Sisters lol. Beams 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Cool list! If only I could afford that many Battle Sisters lol. Wait for the plastic release! :P Sister Alessia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 19 drops for deployment, 117 modelsIf you double load the transports with squads you can shave this down to 17. You could also stuff one full of characters to pull it down to under a dozen. May or may not be useful trivia given that many missions have you bidding for initiative by the number of deployment choices you use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) @Steiner Yep. One Repressor for each squad, send them off after the best targets for their melta/plasma goodness. @Eddie Orlock Problem is then the characters aren't on the board to buff units. Figure an Imagifier and a Canoness for the Rets, the other two Imagifiers, a Canoness and the two Dialogus for as many of the Battle Sister Squads as you can. Still convinced other armies/units can do this so much better, but 105 Sisters (not counting the characters) on the battlefield at once would definitely raise some eyebrows. Edited July 19, 2017 by taikishi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I have yet to play a Dialogus, just personal bias. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) I don't think they're worth the points because I don't think they do enough; that was just someone else's idea turned into a spitball list. Edit: Also, I just noticed that force is a unit short for being a Brigade -- Battle Scibe must not have unflagged it when I deleted the 6th BSS for points elsewhere.. Have to find points somewhere for another BSS or break them down into squads less than 15 to fit in the 6th. Edited July 19, 2017 by taikishi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Problem is then the characters aren't on the board to buff units.It's a judgement call thing, I think there are cases where arranging the first turn may trump have all the buffs queued up for turn one. Not a thing to do every time, but a concept to be aware of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Battalion detachment: 2x Cannoness 6x 15 BSS 1x dialogus 2x imagifier Battalion detachment: 2x Cannoness 6x 15 BSS 1x Dialogus 2x Imagifier 190 models. Hilariously, getting 100 bolter girls from GW costs $1500+AUD 100 guardsmen costs $240AUD. Beams 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drider Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) So, taking this list for a league at my club. Played Vs nids tonight. Seemed to do well vs nids. Got first turn, vanguarded the 5 dominons and double moved Celestine. Killed a pack of gaunts, Tervigon and melee carnifex at the top of turn one. I weathered to counter charge quite well and the Trygon Prime and a bunch of gaunts popped up beind my push. killed the trygon with a unit of penitent engines, by that point the game was pretty much over and we were just playing it out. ++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) ++ + HQ + Celestine: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia + Fast Attack + 3x Dominion Squad Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter 4x Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun 2x Dominion Squad Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter 4x Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer Seraphim Squad 7x Seraphim Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword 2x Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols + Heavy Support + 2x Penitent Engines 2x Penitent Engine: 2x Heavy Flamer, Penitent buzz-blades + Dedicated Transport + 5x Immolator: Immolation Flamer, Storm bolter Edited July 20, 2017 by Drider Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4825587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 The Celestian Superior has quite the stat line this edition: 3 attacks and Ld 9? Makes me want her back as an HQ choice (as seen in the pre-Witch Hunters Chapter Approved codex that we got after the third edition main rulebook (it's the one that I forget even exists from time to time :P)) Sister Alessia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4826089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Yeah, she's a badass in combat. Give her a chainsword and you're looking at 4 attacks. I field mine with a power sword and combi-flamer. Sister Alessia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4826513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 So, I've been using min sized Seraphim Squads with a plasma pistol/powersword on the Super and two dual inferno pistols. It's been super deadly, and I'd like to so full sized once I pick up more Bolter 'phims, but they've been doing great. Also, I've been consistently pleased with my Canoness (she's done well enough to Grant her a name, Sera) with a plasma pistol and Eviscerator. She's mauled vehicles and heavy infantry alike, with the -4 AP ripping through saves and D3 damaging pilling wounds. She also can tank like noone else with the 4++ letting her get walloped by -3 AP plasma guns and shrigg them off, and 5 wounds meaning even if she doesn't she won't die right away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4827539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Yeah, the Canoness is a mean woman. She's capable in her own right as a combat unit, let alone the buffing aura she has. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4828220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Finally the Canoness is a legitimate threat in close combat :D But only because every character in 40K has over the top stats this edition. Gen.Steiner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4828629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 It's kind of like a return to Hero-hammer ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4829716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'm not necessarily a fan of that. I mean, I want the characters to have an impact on the battle, but I don't want individual models to dominate the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/19/#findComment-4829727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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