What if - We dont see more loyalist Primarchs?

[bluntblade]

If the Khan turns evil, I'm gonna be seriously miffed.

[shandwen]

My personal hope is the Corax shows up and does a hostile takeover of the Night Lords.

Corax would be horrified by what the Imperium has become, and would be one of the few who could command the NLs.

It would lead to a change in the NLs doctrines though, less-murder more-anarchy.

[Claws and Effect]

Corax taking over the Night Lords doesn't even need to happen. We already HAVE "Night Lords if Corax was in charge of them".

 

We call them Raven Guard ;)

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Corax taking over the Night Lords doesn't even need to happen. We already HAVE "Night Lords if Corax was in charge of them".

 

We call them Raven Guard

 

Except that this scenario isn't "Corax in charge of Night Lords," it's "Corax doing his best impression of Curze."  There's a huge difference.

[Tamwulf]

It will be... disappointing if we don't get more loyalist Primarchs. We have all these Traitor Primarchs turned Deamon Lords(?) running around, but only Guiliman as the "Champion of the Imperium".

 

As a Space Marine player, I'm always bitterly disappointed when my opponent plops down a Deamon Prince, Wraithknight, Riptide, C'Tan, Carnifex/Hive Tyrant, or whatever other big mob/critter, and here I am with my Space Marines. Biggest model I have is a tank or dreadnought. I love seeing Guiliman on the table! Finally! Space Marine players have a great model with great rules. Is it worth playing Ultra Smurfs to get the full benefits of him? I'm beginning to think yes... 

 

Who would I like to see next? A full up retcon Sanguinius, who was only mostly dead, and was secretly entombed in a stasis chamber just like Guiliman, back to lead his Blood Angels. What will we probably get? Who knows. It's GW. They've never really done anything logically when it comes to the fluff, which makes my return of Sanguinius wish not all that fanciful.

[Calyptra]

 

As a Space Marine player, I'm always bitterly disappointed when my opponent plops down a Deamon Prince, Wraithknight, Riptide, C'Tan, Carnifex/Hive Tyrant, or whatever other big mob/critter, and here I am with my Space Marines. Biggest model I have is a tank or dreadnought. I love seeing Guiliman on the table! Finally! Space Marine players have a great model with great rules. Is it worth playing Ultra Smurfs to get the full benefits of him? I'm beginning to think yes...

 

As a Dark Eldar player, I'm confused. Can you explain what you feel you're missing out on? Most of the units you've listed are the same size or smaller than your tanks and various dreadnoughts.

 

Are you not counting Imperial Knights because there isn't a Space Marine inside of them?

[Lexington]

I love seeing Guiliman on the table! Finally! Space Marine players have a great model with great rules.

Yes, it is really too bad that the Space Marine miniatures line has been shorted so much over the last several years. 

 

Really, tho, this attitude is both why we'll see more Loyalist Primarchs, and why it's a bad idea. It scratches a consumer itch, but it's an itch that says "I want everything," and giving into that is an easy path towards annihilating the theme, mood and basic concepts that make 40K work. Yes, the Space Marines don't have Daemon Princes or Carnifexes or other "big" things because they're humans - they have to make due with that, overcome it and hold out against a universe that contains gods and monsters of enormous scale that are dead set on devouring mortals. If you give Space Marines (and the Imperium) a god, they're just another race doing the same things as many of the rest of the setting's antagonists. It creates an equivalency of blandness.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Lexington

[Urriak Urruk]

I don't mind primarchs returning, albeit in a certain way.

 

Guilliman just kind of returns, the exact same as before. This is both boring and bad storytelling.

 

Magnus returns, and he's a full Daemon Prince. They really needed to explore that a whole lot more with novels and fluff, about why he's returned and what he's planning, but it's moderately better.

 

So if the loyalists return, slowly, and with big changes to their character, I'm cool with that.

 

Someone keeps describing a Leman Russ that is more similar to Odin than his 30k Thor. That's a pretty good example of good Primarch-returning.

[Jackalwolf]

I don't mind primarchs returning, albeit in a certain way.

 

Guilliman just kind of returns, the exact same as before. This is both boring and bad storytelling.

 

Magnus returns, and he's a full Daemon Prince. They really needed to explore that a whole lot more with novels and fluff, about why he's returned and what he's planning, but it's moderately better.

 

So if the loyalists return, slowly, and with big changes to their character, I'm cool with that.

 

Someone keeps describing a Leman Russ that is more similar to Odin than his 30k Thor. That's a pretty good example of good Primarch-returning.

 

Yep I'd dig an Odin Leman Russ. Bitter, aged, wiser and disappointed with how the wolves have managed to become caricatures of themselves but proud that at the core is a loyal legion ready to die for humanity.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

And only has one eye?

[Bulwyf]

Russ gave his eye to find the Khan or corax

[Jackalwolf]

That would be epic.

[The_son_of_Dorn]

Why does 40k have to be pure disappointment. If my lord left me for 10k years I'd be like "the hell are you to judge you ginger wof wannabee"

 

*proceeds to get torn in half by every space wolf in the immediate vacinity*

[Omegius]

 

I don't mind primarchs returning, albeit in a certain way.

 

Guilliman just kind of returns, the exact same as before. This is both boring and bad storytelling.

 

Magnus returns, and he's a full Daemon Prince. They really needed to explore that a whole lot more with novels and fluff, about why he's returned and what he's planning, but it's moderately better.

 

So if the loyalists return, slowly, and with big changes to their character, I'm cool with that.

 

Someone keeps describing a Leman Russ that is more similar to Odin than his 30k Thor. That's a pretty good example of good Primarch-returning.

 

Yep I'd dig an Odin Leman Russ. Bitter, aged, wiser and disappointed with how the wolves have managed to become caricatures of themselves but proud that at the core is a loyal legion ready to die for humanity.

 

 

That'd also be a meta-dig at those that went OTT with wolfyness. 

[Lexington]

 

Yep I'd dig an Odin Leman Russ. Bitter, aged, wiser and disappointed with how the wolves have managed to become caricatures of themselves but proud that at the core is a loyal legion ready to die for humanity.

 

That'd also be a meta-dig at those that went OTT with wolfyness. 

Given that the guy who originally went OTT with wolfyness is still part of the Studio - and seemingly someone with a lot of sway on the writing process - I kind of doubt that will be happening.

[Calyptra]

If the Khan did end up in Commorragh, at this point it's reasonable to assume his remains are being used as a rug.

[Nazguire]

No more loyalist Primarchs. I'd prefer no more Daemon Primarchs either. It just undermines the setting.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

I'd like to see Vulkan next.

 

We know he's immortal so he's most likely to be wandering around.

[bluntblade]

I quite like the idea that the Khan has been quietly conducting a one-Primarch purge of the Webway.

[Calyptra]

I quite like the idea that Rakarth has been quietly conducting a one-Eldar purge of Terra.

[Demigod]

The Khan ended up in the rejuvenating parts of the Webway and is returned as a kid or a baby after which the primarchs and the white scars have an enormous argument ( even clash )  on who gets to raise him.

 

Russ intercepts Cypher and gets the Lion sword from him after which he goes into the Rock shows the Dark Angels that Johnson is there and while they are all looking around being amazed he stabs him in the chest with the sword. Everyone draws guns and just about as battle is to be joined the Lion comes back alive.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Demigod

[Mellow]

I always thought that Corax left through the shame of failing to build more Astartes with the gene knowledge The Emperor gave him.

 

Now that Cawl has stomped all over that by being clever Corax should come back and say "oh! That's how you do it, thanks!"

[SickSix]

Well if we see more 40k Primarchs, GW is going to have to do something to justify them having models different from their 30k incarnations.

 

I mean why would 40k Lion look any different than 30k Lion?

 

Would FW concede to letting GW make plastic kits for a couple of the Primarchs that would be 'official' models in both games?

Edited July 20, 2017 by SickSix

[Mellow]

Pretty sure the Lion would need physio. His muscles will be wasted away and his body malnourished.

 

If that's how Primarch physiology works. Which I'm going to assume it is as they would need vast amounts of fuel to feed themselves.

[Master Commander Ajax]

After reading the Index Astartes article in White Dwarf I'm convinced that at some point we will see the creation of entirely new Primarchs.