Knights in black satin

[obsidian quacker]

A bit of pre-amble.

This would be my third attempt at making a black templars crusade, with my first being trying to copy the box art of 3rd edition all those years ago with inexperience and the second a bit more than a year ago with the dark grey with multiple black washes method. I didn't really like it apart from taking ages to do so now I've tried something new.

 

 

 

Hence the thread title. As back up I've got a metallic and plain black spray too.

 

So as a starting point I've made 5 initiates of a crusader squad from of various kits and bits and have a sword brethren terminator squad made of deathwing knights and black templar shields and pads in construction.

And here we are.

What are people's opinions? Is it too glossy?

Of course this means that highlighting it will be very different and I'm not too sure how that will go. And as for fluff, I haven't got any yet.

 

So a hello to the sub forum.

[TheOneTrueZon]

I think glossy base coating can go a couple different ways, in terms of highlighting. There's the way they look on the tabletop (most important) and how the look like through a lens of just about any type.

 

I think glossy as a base is a fair substitute for not going full monty on OSL to get that effect on black armor. The time saved on edging the black parts of your model can be spent on other details perhaps.

 

In any case, may your paint dry evenly and swiftly bear these Crusaders to battle in these turbulent times!

[obsidian quacker]

Thanks for the advice Theonetruezon. They're not that glossy off camera and there's no way I could pull off a good OSL effect yet so that's off the cards.

 

The paint has dried evenly and the crusaders await details before they bring the Emperor's wrath to those who threaten the Imperium!

[M@verik115]

I have tried glossy on several occasions and I had to strip every time. 
It either doesn't allow paint to properly attach to it and hence it chips and/or pools, or it disguises too much detail and you are left with what looks like shiny lumps of black models on the table. 

Maybe you will have more luck with it than I did, but I stay far away from it now. 

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

I have used satin black primer coats in the past, and they worked pretty well for me. I do say "primer coat" though, as I always base coat with other blacks. The finish isn't all that "glossy", but gives you a great starting guide to where to place your highlights. Just my humble $0.02!

[obsidian quacker]

So here we are with those 5 crusaders complete.

 

 

This is still with the satin coat as a main layer which has now in better lighting became more of a sheen which gives a good shiny highlight already. I've added some edge highlighting and a few chips add tried adding some dirt to the feet and lower greaves.

 

Howerever using it as a second coat may not be a good thing anymore. I applied it to the terminators today and it seems to have partially obscured the detail on the helmets and heads so maybe just as a first coat from now on (M@verick115 was right)

 

Black templar transfers will be applied in a batch when more people are ready.

 

Anyway thanks to M@verick115 and Sword Brother Ryan for their inputs.

 

 

[M@verik115]

What I do is first paint my templar in a metallic colour, boltgun or chainmail is fine. 
Then I wash them in either a mixture of nuln oil, black ink and dilute (if I want slightly worn metallic black) or just diluted black ink (if I want shiny new metallic black).
Its a bit tedious and takes a while, but it gives great results. 
Try it out. 

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

Primer coating in gray and then glazing on Abaddon Black worked quite well to give a "sheen" to my latest models without obscuring any details at all if a more "satin" finish is your goal. I'm trying to go with more weathered jobs though.

[obsidian quacker]

Sorry about the late reply. I haven't had any time to this week after the heatwave where it was too hot to have the computer on. So I tried both of the methods metioned on some spare powerfists but they didn't seem to hit well with me. I'll keep trying on test models to try and get the dilutions of mediums to ink and glazes better.

 

Anyway with the release of dark imperium and the new white dwarf, there's Maxime's black templars in a tale of four warlords and his guide to how he paints them and I had a go. I didn't have all the paints used so I made a few swaps and I skipped a few steps that I thought weren't going to be very visible.

 

I'm not sure if yellow as a main colour is legal in this sub forum.

Based on the mkII veteran (at least I think he was. I don't have the book on hand) in extemination.

I thought this didn't turn out too bad and I've got the paints ordered. Anyway I'm starting to feel more comfortable with painting black so hopefully things will come along more often.

[DBadger]

I'm looking forward to following Maxime's army. Not a fan of the checked kneepads he uses though.

 

Why the yellow? The black is looking pretty good by the way.

[obsidian quacker]

I thought that they would be a new primaris chapter, descended from the Imperial fists, as I didn't think a single, not very mentioned templar crusade would be in a place to be directly receiving reinforcements , so would be an allied force. I'm thinking now that I might just paint over the yellow and unify it into one force.

Edited July 6, 2017 by obsidian quacker

[Brother Talarian]

Nice bases on the crusaders. What did you use to make them?

[obsidian quacker]

Thank you. That's just fine sand and a few small rocks, with a base of zandri dust washed with reikland fleshshade and then drybrushed with screaming skull and the rim finished off with gorthor brown.

[obsidian quacker]

 

No more yellow now. I decided on the all black templar force. These have been done following Maxime's tutorial and then washed with nuln oil that has not been shaken to give a glossy look.

 

And to see how it looks on vehicles and to get an idea of adding different colours I also did a stormhawk.

 

 

I don't have the cloud attack transfers so I can't copy that but I've got some micron pens coming so hopefully I can draw some on.

[obsidian quacker]

Captain Gero, stripped of his armour and wearing only tabard, knelt in submission on the cold stone floor. Of where he could not tell due to being blindfolded and any guesses he could make were limited by his lack of knowledge of his hosts culture. He could however tell that there were multiple active power armour units forming a semi circle to his front about 10 metres away, between 15 and 20 and large audience of humans or post humans behind. One power armoured individual in a helmet front and centre spoke.

"Captain Gero. Despite the objections and concerns of my brothers assembled here, you and your brothers have proven that your force would be an asset of great value to the crusade." His voice through the distortion of his helmet's loudspeaker clearly shown the authority he had over his brethren.

"By my title as Marshal of the Leutwin Crusade I welcome you into our ranks. Will you pledge your service and accept the templar cross?"

"I shall serve until death and accept the templar cross to be branded onto my flesh in honour of the Leutwin crusade, the Black Templars chapter and the Emperor."

"Present your hands", Gero lifted his arms out in front of him. Two humans came forth from what could be heard and a pair of heated tongs were applied to each hand and after ten seconds released, branding both sides of them and even though pain of branding was lost on him, he understood the significance of it.

"In accepting the templar cross you have vowed an oath to carry on the traditions of of the first High Marshal and first Emperor's Champion Sigismund. You shall purge the heretic, beware the mutant and psyker and abhor the alien, your duty to this shall be unending. Your belief in the immortal emperor will be unwavering as shall your faith in his power. Your prior duties to the crusade have proven your worth to the crusade, may the bonds between you and your battlebrother of the crusade go unbroken. Inform your company that they shall undertake their oaths on the morrow and the dedication of wargear will take place the following. You are dismissed but are not freed from being blindfolded until the sword brothers accompanying you have said so." Two power armoured brothers approached, each one knelt down and moved to support the primaris captain under each arm to help him get up on to his feet and gently led him away. Previous blindfolded walks were, much less pleasant bordering on hostile.

 

Ok so it seems at the moment all that I'm doing is the primaris marines, well yes it is but I want to get them out of the way and I'm trying out stuff on them. That's kind of symbolised in the story above by the blindfolding as I haven't got many brothers that I'd consider done yet so I couldn't describe them in the story. I wanted to show that the primaris aren't an official part of the chapter but have joined in and will follow a normal codex titles (Captain, sergeant, etc). Also I'm a slow painter!

 

Nearly finished captain Gero and the other 5 primaris Intecessors

Edited July 23, 2017 by obsidian quacker

[obsidian quacker]

Unfortunately not much in the way of progress this week. It would've been 3 assault centurions  which are nearly stuck together. Unfortunately I damaged my eye on saturday evening at work so couldn't really finish sticking stuff together let alone start painting. The ironic thing is that I was really waiting for this weekeknds releases and was going to pick them up on sunday but I spent most of saturday night in hospital (the apothicarium!) which is near where I was going to pick up my stuff sunday morning!

[obsidian quacker]

My eye gradually got better over the week and I've made good progress on the centurions.

 

 

Even though I'm just copying Maxime's centurions, I'm actually enjoying painting templars like this.

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

Seeing your Centurions done up makes me want to get mine assembled and ready... but they will have to wait in line for now.

 

Yours look great! (Who cares if you're using a style used already!)

[obsidian quacker]

Thank you for the great comment Sword Brother Ryan. To be honest I never think my models look that great but then under a camera with flash on they do look a lot better, it must be my vision or the lighting I have. Still it's a great boost to my confidence in my abilities when someone compliments me.

 

Anyway Centurions nearly done

 

I added a hand drawn templar cross to both shoulders and the white circles in the sergeant. It was a bit messy initially so I tidied them up with paint. Oh no the pen has now smudged, so swapped for a brass etch on the right. Just need to add scripture and tidy the rims.

 

And I've got this on the go

 

There's a white kneepad that's it.

[ONDIG]

The yellow bits are pretty nice .They lead the eye to detail you wouldn't have observed as closely if it were simply black and a little yellow in honor of Sigismunds original chapter seems appropriate.

[obsidian quacker]

Thank you for the comment Ondig. Yellow is a nice way to break up the black and white.

 

In other news had problems with my eye again so not much more in the way of prgress. I've currently got 10 reivers base coated with various attempts at highlighting that are not going too well as I can't focus on the details too well at the moment. I'm taking a break on them for a while and started painting up a chaplain instead on the sprue using drybrushing for access and so I can help with focus..

 

 

It may look a bit dusty at the moment but I can see this a lot better so can tidy up the dustiness much more easily. I've left the coat unpainted for the moment as I'm considering trying to do it like a Knights Templar thing. It might look completely wrong in grimdark but there's no harm in trying.

 

And I've decided on the crusade's heraldry too.

 

(Dead marine in progress)

That on the right kneepad is nearly my own family's heraldry there are supposed to be some details in the black stripe but that would be too small to paint so I've left that out. Going on from that I also have an idea for the crusade's banner when it comes to painting that!

Edited August 25, 2017 by obsidian quacker

[obsidian quacker]

Chaplain nearly finished.

 

That was taken earlier with the sun shining in. All that's left on him to finish is the right shoulder pad and paint the rim of the base and the bead chain around his left wrist.

 

Also 3 inceptors