Ravenwing bike models for RG?

[Kua]

What’s your opinion on them?

I mean, they are bikes with wing deco, and wings shouldn’t be unfamiliar for ravens.

Or is everyone too much used to them belonging to Dark Angels?

Or is the deco too pompous for sneaky ravens?

And what if it’s a command squad instead of regular bike squad?

 

(I guess this discussion had had place during the last two editions, but I wasn’t playing at that time.)

[Race Bannon]

I'm considering using Deathwing models from DV as a new Squad for me. And the bikes from the box for HQ dudes.

 

So ... I guess I'm in the "dooo eeet" pile. Yet, I also appreciate the subtle look.

 

My ultimate advice is, choose what you want because you will be looking at the models more than anyone else.

[Kua]

But depending on the responses I’d convert the bikes either more or less, make them either to regular bikes or to company vets, as they are called now…

I’d probably prefer not to do the latter one, though, because they are bodyguards now and only make sense with biker characters, which is not even the bad part, but that I’d still have no idea for bikes then. ^^

But an option still.

[Kua]

Maybe I should explain a bit more.

I, too, am converting the DV Tac unit for RGs. But there, the decision-making is simple: It only has boring DA heraldry one can remove and replace with ravens, raven skulls etc. Same for the Termies there. Hell, I am even going to build at least one “urban” scout unit from the cultists. Not because I want to use all the parts, but because (back than at the start of 6th Ed) I bought this box for trying all these ideas.

But the bikes…

They already have wings!

They don’t need much conversion apart from removing the (too Ravenwing-specific) flagpoles and some conversion on the drivers’ heraldry. But from some distance, it doesn’t change their appearance, since the changes are very minor and Ravenwing is about the same colour scheme as Raven Guard.

That’s why I’m asking.

 

Oh, and btw, in this context:

The angel on the right knee of the terminator sergeant,

 

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x450/LilLoser2011/P1030925.jpg

(Using LL’s pic here I found while googleing. ^^)

 

is it solely DA-specific heraldry or could it be imperial as well?

It would be a shame to remove and I’m not sure how well it would look being made a flying raven from the top.

[Claws and Effect]

A lot of people use Ravenwing bikes for Raven Guard bikers. 

 

If you want to convert another Chapter's stuff to Raven Guard, then Ravenwing bikes are kind of a no brainer. 

 

Go for it.

[Kua]

Alright, there are two votes for just using them mostly as they are without second thoughts then.

Thanks so far!

 

The next question will be what exactly to use them as, but I’ll put it into another topic later and in context of the other bikes I’m going to use in the army.

[Valaas]

 

Oh, and btw, in this context:

The angel on the right knee of the terminator sergeant,

 

is it solely DA-specific heraldry or could it be imperial as well?

It would be a shame to remove and I’m not sure how well it would look being made a flying raven from the top.

 

I don't think it needs to be removed, as although it fits the DA heraldry. All space marines are known as the angels of death and to me that bit of detailing illustrates that.

 

As its an ancient suit of terminator armour, you'd expect this sort of embellishment to be added to as the suit is passed on from marine to marine....

 

Just my two pence worth.

 

 

P.s. Ravenwing bikes will rock in RG schemes (*idea now stolen)

[Race Bannon]

Galas has the right idea, I think. For my part I need to "let it go" when it comes to the DA iconography and the DV models. The thing that pokes me in the eye (pun?) are all the *knives*.

[Kua]

Thanks again!

 

What about the knives? The heraldic ones? Or real ones?

[Race Bannon]

Both.  The Assault Cannon terminator has a collection dangling between the legs.  Although excellent for DA, that is just too much for RG.  Sure, I could cut that though.  But then there are the knives on the chest between the "wings".  To me, that is very DA.

 

Although, now that I type this, maybe I could fluff my way into those models ...  Squad Kalosq has survived almost 100 years of continued service without losing a member and their "luck" is reknown within the Chapter.  Over the decades, the bond between these five Raven Guard have honed their battlefield prowess and ferocity.  They have adopted the knife as a part of their squad heraldry to show their brotherhood, while also using it in their pre-battle ritual.  Kalosq's squad is known throughout the Chapter as the "Black Knives" ...

 

Something like that.  Hmm.

[duz_]

Personally I find the DA bikes over done... but saying that no reason why you couldn't use them for your RG for the reasons you've stated if thats what you want.

If I was going to go down that route, because of how flamboyant the bikes are (imo), I would paint them in more of a "ceremonial" scheme, as a opposed to a sneaky / stealthy theme.

My 2 cents anyways, feel free to ignore me

[Kua]

What scheme are you thinking of?

 

@ Race:

Haven’t done the Terminators yet.

But now that I look at the assault cannon one… uh… This might be a problem if doesn’t want to cut them off. Will have to think about it. Maybe I’ll just remove their broadened tips to make them more dagger-like and less DA-sword-like.

The knifes on the heraldry like shoulder and breast decoration I indeed am remodelling to something else, and yes, over total number of models it sums up to some work, but it isn’t so difficult either.

 

You’ll see what I mean when I start the WIP thread soon (maybe tomorrow).

Because I really need some help in deciding what bike models to use for what units, but the first of the converted ones are short before finished, so photos are yet to be made.

[Race Bannon]

Pardon my derail with the Terminators :blush:  I'm trying to find ways to get the DV box versus ebaying stuff because the box could end up being a good value.

 

Having said that, the bikes could be used for HQ dudes, although the robed dude seems made for Librarians if not used for DA.  The other two could be for a Captain and Chaplain or even squad leaders.

 

No matter what, there is some chopping to do to de-Angel them in varying ways, I think.

[Kua]

Ah, no, I meant that I’ll resume the question when I have made pics of the bikes to choose from, not that I need it to be answered here an now without further information. ^^

 

But now that you say that:

Characters (instead of command squad) is something I didn’t even think of yet.

Thx for the idea, will be added to the options.

 

And no, discussing de-Angeling other parts of the box is not offtopic or derailing.

[Claws and Effect]

I'm planning on getting some Ravenwing bikes at some point.

 

The plan is to remove the heraldry except the winged fairing.

 

I also want to convert some sort of double bolter on one side and a plasma blaster bit on the other side, that way I can give a command squad plasma guns and melee weapons without it looking super awkward.