Primarch Book 6 - Fulgrim

[mc warhammer]

I doubt this will be it. I’m trudging through the opening chapters. Finding it hard to focus on it. Admittedly I haven’t much reading time at the minute a few minutes each lunchtime but it’s not grabbing me.

 

Could be the purple putting me off....

hoping it is just the purple...

[mc warhammer]

 

i'm hoping to find one depiction of fulgrim (other than abnett's) from BL that i can enjoy.

I can't seem to recall Abnett ever writing Fulgrim himself. Sure you're not thinking of McNeill?

well, abnett wrote about fulgrim in HR (which really set the expectations that i felt weren’t met by mcneill) and some brief scenes with fulgrim in PB.

[Izlude]

They shipped out my LE copy. It has been a while since I read Fulgirm (HH novel), wonder if it is worth reading again. Sadly my only memory of that book was some bipolar artist's orgy..

[DarkChaplain]

 

 

i'm hoping to find one depiction of fulgrim (other than abnett's) from BL that i can enjoy.

I can't seem to recall Abnett ever writing Fulgrim himself. Sure you're not thinking of McNeill?

well, abnett wrote about fulgrim in HR (which really set the expectations that i felt weren’t met by mcneill) and some brief scenes with fulgrim in PB.

 

 

Fulgrim never appeared in Horus Rising. He got namedropped in a conversation between Horus and Sanguinius, regarding Fulgrim making Eidolon Lord Commander, and Eidolon being a prick. Fulgrim himself didn't appear in the series until McNeill's False Gods.

[mc warhammer]

 

 

 

 

i'm hoping to find one depiction of fulgrim (other than abnett's) from BL that i can enjoy.

I can't seem to recall Abnett ever writing Fulgrim himself. Sure you're not thinking of McNeill?

well, abnett wrote about fulgrim in HR (which really set the expectations that i felt weren’t met by mcneill) and some brief scenes with fulgrim in PB.

Fulgrim never appeared in Horus Rising. He got namedropped in a conversation between Horus and Sanguinius, regarding Fulgrim making Eidolon Lord Commander, and Eidolon being a prick. Fulgrim himself didn't appear in the series until McNeill's False Gods.

yeah...i know? i’m reading back over my post and i believe it still communicates that? i’m confused

[DarkChaplain]

I was just confused that Abnett would be the one to set the baseline for a character he only tangientally mentioned in a novel, and never again afterwards iirc. The only thing Dan depicted regarding Fulgrim was that Horus was quite annoyed about his choice of commander, but that really didn't add much to the Phoenician in my eyes.

[mc warhammer]

I was just confused that Abnett would be the one to set the baseline for a character he only tangientally mentioned in a novel, and never again afterwards iirc. The only thing Dan depicted regarding Fulgrim was that Horus was quite annoyed about his choice of commander, but that really didn't add much to the Phoenician in my eyes.

that might either show dan’s strength as a writer, or my susceptibility to his words. the expectation he laid out for fulgrim’s credo of perfection being one of purity and NOT arrogance and that the primarch and his legion were essentially a bipolar mix of tarvitz and lucius.

 

instead we got someone who was totally arrogant and even less charming than lucius. even though we were constantly told fulgrim and manus were bffs, i couldn’t for the life of me see how from the text

 

the confusion might also come from “set the baseline” being your words, not mine

Edited October 29, 2017 by mc warhammer

[bluntblade]

I love how Scars had a latter-day Fulgrim contrasted against Sanguinius, but it's obviously a deeply unsympathetic portrayal from the Khan's POV. I want to see the more vulnerable, more idealistic Fulgrim in another book.

[veterannoob]

It's only the general author part in part 1 but part 2 or 3 will have more details 30/40K stuff from Josh. If you listen I'd recommend just skipping to 53:00 minutes and listen to Josh's interview. Robert's mic was screwed up at times but real life kept us from redoing. 

http://traffic.libsyn.com/combatphase/Ep_218_-_Josh_Reynolds_pt_1__When_Your_Game_Co_is_Bought.mp3

[Indefragable]

Tangentially, for what it’s worth, I think Fulgrim is one of the best* HH novels since it covers so much ground in a single volume. When I think back, so many HH novels rely so heavily on what happened in others, but Fulgrim is self contained. Even now, years later, I remember it fondly for that reason.

 

*im not saying it’s the best writing or story or character development or bolter porn or such. I mean that it’s one of the best HH books on my shelf because of the experience reading it

[Sandlemad]

It's only the general author part in part 1 but part 2 or 3 will have more details 30/40K stuff from Josh. If you listen I'd recommend just skipping to 53:00 minutes and listen to Josh's interview. Robert's mic was screwed up at times but real life kept us from redoing. 

http://traffic.libsyn.com/combatphase/Ep_218_-_Josh_Reynolds_pt_1__When_Your_Game_Co_is_Bought.mp3

 

Looking forward to parts 2/3 but dang, he's refreshingly frank about the financial realities of being an author and choosing your projects. That Reynolds produced something as creative as Primogenitor shows that this aspect of professionalism (i.e. aiming for 40k works over fantasy because space marine books sell better) definitely isn't mutually exclusive with good work, if anyone still felt that way.

 

I had assumed that he got the Fulgrim primarch novel job at least partially on the strength of his EC work around Fabius but there you go.

 

EDIT: Also I'll second the call for thoughts, spoilers or otherwise. Not going to be reading this until the regular edition comes out in January.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Sandlemad

[Indefragable]

I’m interested in spoilers as well. Fulgrim is probably a 6/10 in interest level for me.

[mc warhammer]

he was my favourite primarch from the IA articles, but BL's depiction of him (so far), hasn't worked with my own. and that's totally cool and fine and all that.

 

but i'm still hoping for a fresh perspective to be added on

[Knockagh]

Going to have to eat my hat with this book. The purple is still boke and the opening chapters are slow but it’s really opening up as it moves along really enjoying it now. Not sure where he is going with Fulgrim though...

[veterannoob]

More Josh Reynolds on AoS, 30K and 40K 

http://traffic.libsyn.com/combatphase/ep_219_-_Josh_Reynolds_pt_2.mp3

[Hellath]

I am only 50 pages in, but it annoys me a bit that Fabius is now Terran when ADB stated he was born on Chemos in Black Legion. I didn’t read Primogenitor, thus I have no idea if his origins were discussed there, but I that is quite a slip from the editors, I reckon.

[bluntblade]

Fluff favours him being Terran, so the slip would be AD-B's.

[Jareddm]

I saw this get posted on lexicanum:

 

"Fulgrim describes how 7 of his brothers doubted that the Emperor's Children were worthy due to their handful of legionaries when Fulgrim took over. Named only the "master of the Second," Fulgrim discusses that the "normally contemplative" brother also joined the other 6. Fulgrim also adds that he believed the brother was a hypocrite, quiet, and lacked humor"

[bluntblade]

Jaghatai? We have been told they "despised" each other from the start

[Hellath]

“Master of the Second”. One of the lost primarchs.

[bluntblade]

Well, in that case, that's a jolly rude way to talk about Icarion.

[mc warhammer]

I saw this get posted on lexicanum:

 

"Fulgrim describes how 7 of his brothers doubted that the Emperor's Children were worthy due to their handful of legionaries when Fulgrim took over. Named only the "master of the Second," Fulgrim discusses that the "normally contemplative" brother also joined the other 6. Fulgrim also adds that he believed the brother was a hypocrite, quiet, and lacked humor"

 

weirdly, i can't see that on lexicanum's fulgrim the palatine phoenix page (incl any of its history) or on the bit about lost primarchs on the primarch page. where did you see it?

[Jareddm]

 

I saw this get posted on lexicanum:

 

"Fulgrim describes how 7 of his brothers doubted that the Emperor's Children were worthy due to their handful of legionaries when Fulgrim took over. Named only the "master of the Second," Fulgrim discusses that the "normally contemplative" brother also joined the other 6. Fulgrim also adds that he believed the brother was a hypocrite, quiet, and lacked humor"

 

weirdly, i can't see that on lexicanum's fulgrim the palatine phoenix page (incl any of its history) or on the bit about lost primarchs on the primarch page. where did you see it?

 

It was on the missing legions page.

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions#Fulgrim:_The_Palatine_Phoenix

Edited November 8, 2017 by Jareddm

[b1soul]

By now, these meaningless references to the Second or Eleventh are getting old.

 

I think BL should reveal something a bit more substantive while of course still preseving the bulk of the mystery

[DarkChaplain]

I am only 50 pages in, but it annoys me a bit that Fabius is now Terran when ADB stated he was born on Chemos in Black Legion. I didn’t read Primogenitor, thus I have no idea if his origins were discussed there, but I that is quite a slip from the editors, I reckon.

 

Fabius was Terran. He was trying to fix the dwindling Legion when they suffered from that odd Blight. Extinction was only avoided by reuniting with Fulgrim, but the old Terran Legionaries couldn't be fully patched-up. New recruits got lucky in that they were able to utilize newly brewed gene-seed thanks to Fulgrim's return to the fold.

Fabius meanwhile is stuck with the decay of his body, to this day, which is why he cloned himself over and over to perform brain transplants and he still hasn't managed to heal his own unstable genetic code.

 

In Chirurgeon by Nick Kyme (which was pretty good), Fabius even muses on coming to Chemos, fighting alongside the Emperor, the sons of Europa and what not.

 

So yes, the mistake would be on AD-B's part, if it is a factual statement and not just a mistaken character, or a generalization due to Chemos being the old Legion homeworld. Either way, Fabius is one of the few remaining Terran ECs.