Panzer Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just leave, Ishagu. Just leave. :P StruManChu and Commander Dawnstar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4832598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Those ultramarines. Always a day late and a dollar short. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4832884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merellin Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 People seem to complain about Tau a lot. Yeah, they are probably a bit weaker then they where, But I dont mind. I'v been playing Tau since 5th edition and never cared for power but now in 8th edition I found them way more fun to actualy play, and my opponent foudn them way more fun to face. It feels much easier to make a quick mobile force, Yes, Suits lost JSJ, But they still worked quite well. My 6 Crisis suit unit took a charge from two units of chaos marines (One being Raptors) and the suits held the chaos for the entire battle, I only lost 2 suits. I am quite enjoying 8th edition Tau, And I'm looking forwards to their new codex if it will keep them this fun ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4848253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaorn Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 Move over Sushi Boys! :-P Not sure if it's the anger at being in the hospital for over a week making me find this kinda racist or if it's justified. I don't think the impulse to douse his smirfs with gas and set them on fire is a sign my anti-psychotics need to be increased though. I don't suppose the Konor campaign is keeping track of how each faction is doing in it or is it just tracking whether it was an Imperium/Chaos victory? Needless to say I've been out of circulation and I've got way to much to deal with to look in on it. If they are tracking contributions of Factions like the Tau, it would be interesting to look in on though to see how they fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4853909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 You're being overly sensitive over a fictitious alien species that in said fiction sterilised entire human populations. Cheer up, friend! Warhead01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 No need to talk about T'au fluff. Many different people with extremely different opinions of how T'au should be like worked on it over the time. It's really messed up right now. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaorn Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 I have friends of Japanese decent, so maybe I am (and I already stated that) but keep in mind that you're implying a connection to them with said sterilizing aliens for being Greys with a vaguely anime styling (Infinity is far more anime imo). Still, it doesn't hurt for people think about what they are saying or writing. Regardless of your statement, I think I would still want to light your smurfs on fire :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The hypocrisy is strong in this one lol Ishagu 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I got to experience the Tau Thursday. MY opponent has learned several lessons about 8th and wrecked my Orks easily albeit with the aid of my poorly rolling dice. Marker lights took me by surprise as they seem to no longer be tokes but a pool. The Ghost-things, the big ones, Annoying. Stealth Suits seem durable. Storm Surge. Nasty. He had 2 in his list. I had to forfeit on turn 3. Nothing was going my way and I'd not even wiped out a single unit. Beware the Fishead's. Using Infiltrating units to create an area to deny my sneaky use of Da Jump along with good use of terrain and the overlapping overwatch was truly brutal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N00BST4R Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I have friends of Japanese decent, so maybe I am (and I already stated that) but keep in mind that you're implying a connection to them with said sterilizing aliens for being Greys with a vaguely anime styling (Infinity is far more anime imo).I am Japanese and found it funny...if you're venturing on an online forum be prepared to be offended. Sushi boy is hardly offensive...I make a point to be polite, but I can't begin to censor myself for everything that someone may be bothered by. Brother Navaer Solaq and Large and Moving Torb 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaorn Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 A bit pointless to ask for advice without knowing the actual rules, isn't it? Well if you read my original post I asked how do those missile turrets work in the very first sentence and then later stated that I didn't know how they worked even prior to 8th. I did this to find out what they were like while still keeping it relevant to the topic, which is why I didn't bother to ask about bleachers or the stormsurge. What is the issue? The hypocrisy is strong in this one lol You still haven't answered my question sfPanzer lol. If you'd like to point out where I said something that could be offensive to someone based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. then I will apologize and actually mean it. @NOOBST4R: Fair, I'm just in the habit of picking fights with actual racists over the years (my high school had more than one "ghost" come in for Halloween for example) and I'm punchy from being cooped up for so long. So is there anything people feel the Tau are missing having played 8th for a couple of months? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think my only grumble is that we have 2 phases of the game whereby we don't do anything. Everyone shoots, near enough everyone else does something in the psychic phase and everyone else has something to do in close combat. At least in the old days we could move suits then :D I played against primaris recently and they were shooting back when stuff was killed in my own turn! I was also outnumbered which is also indicative that our units/ weapons need points decreases or buffs. With shooting being the only phase whereby we deal damage I honestly think markerlights need a rework as they seem to be too hard to get to work at the moment. Drones are amazing at keeping suits alive and crisis suits are very durable. I know we can spam commanders and y'vahra to be competitive but it'd be nice to be able to field a balanced list and stand a chance. What do others think? Is it time we had some combat orientated suits? Kroot aren't the answer. (They're not very good at either job!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Skaorn, the hypocrisy in your post is getting upset over my friendly Tau jibe whilst you have no issue name calling the Ultras. The Tau have a lot of aquatic names for their units; Devil Fish, Piranha, Riptide, etc. The jibe has nothing to do with race Panzer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4854885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 can we please keep this thread to "how the tau are faring in 8th"? stop the antics and the unnecessary crap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4855652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eire Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I got to experience the Tau Thursday. MY opponent has learned several lessons about 8th and wrecked my Orks easily albeit with the aid of my poorly rolling dice. Marker lights took me by surprise as they seem to no longer be tokes but a pool. The Ghost-things, the big ones, Annoying. Stealth Suits seem durable. Storm Surge. Nasty. He had 2 in his list. I had to forfeit on turn 3. Nothing was going my way and I'd not even wiped out a single unit. Beware the Fishead's. Using Infiltrating units to create an area to deny my sneaky use of Da Jump along with good use of terrain and the overlapping overwatch was truly brutal. Ouch, two Stormsurge suits (with the common loadouts I have seen) run around 400pts a pop... and yeah they are super-nasty. What point totals did you play? The Ghostkeel is pretty brutal as well, especially when its loaded with the fusions. Stealth suits seem to be doing very well, especially with the BC+ATS combo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4857704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I got to experience the Tau Thursday. MY opponent has learned several lessons about 8th and wrecked my Orks easily albeit with the aid of my poorly rolling dice. Marker lights took me by surprise as they seem to no longer be tokes but a pool. The Ghost-things, the big ones, Annoying. Stealth Suits seem durable. Storm Surge. Nasty. He had 2 in his list. I had to forfeit on turn 3. Nothing was going my way and I'd not even wiped out a single unit. Beware the Fishead's. Using Infiltrating units to create an area to deny my sneaky use of Da Jump along with good use of terrain and the overlapping overwatch was truly brutal. Ouch, two Stormsurge suits (with the common loadouts I have seen) run around 400pts a pop... and yeah they are super-nasty. What point totals did you play? The Ghostkeel is pretty brutal as well, especially when its loaded with the fusions. Stealth suits seem to be doing very well, especially with the BC+ATS combo. We played 2000 points. I'm sure I'd play against it again I just need to know ahead of time what to expect. I think I invested too many points into artillery and probably should have had a few more vehicles in my list. It might have helped to try to get the objective and run off with it next time. Those Stormsurge can do some heavy lifting. His deployment was good, he protected his fire warriors and Path finders setting them up in the back. He infiltrated his Stealth Suites and Ghostkeels as well, each had 2 drones of some kind. This kept me from porting mobs of boys over for a charge and left only one side of the table open for that which was far away from where I would have liked to go. I spent a lot of time going around terrain and not to the objective. I think this was his first game with his Tau in 8th. I had been expecting lots of Suit units everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4858036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I must confess I ran my stormsurge and was far from impressed. Granted my dice were appalling but across 4 turns of shooting it killed around 4 primaris and about 4 tactical marines. Not worth the investment :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4858096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 It surprises me that GW raised points for models so high, as it has a direct effect of reducing the number of those models you will take in an army. You'd think they enjoyed selling models the last time they reduced points per model, but I guess they didn't. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4860995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Well they sold so many Riptides and Crisis, they now want to sell Pathfinder and Drones. :P Jokes aside, GW isn't just about selling models anymore. New GW actually does seem to care about the game itself. Are the units too expensive? Yeah quite a bit. Will stay this expensive when we get our Codex? Unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4861022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I played again yesterday against guard and by comparison their stuff is disgustingly cheap for what they gave access to. Sadly the most effective things again were the commander and seeker missiles. Only got two turns done bit killed a shadowsword first turn. Without the commander or seekers I'd have struggled to do so. Weapon costs need to be unit specific or just a general substantial drop. I love rail weapons but I'll be running ion on the cuda as it's half the points. Guard weapons are embarrassingly cheap by comparison. They need to adapt quicker than the borg. Markerlight changes ala previous edition would go a long way. Too many things currently woefully inaccurate which for a shooting reliant force, is an issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4861277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Sirus Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Reading over this it looks like i'll be in for an up hill battle when i use my tau again, havent played them since early 6th but never went riptide wing so theres a silver lining. Hopefully an infantry heavy list will work these days, as i use to run 40 firewarriors, 10 pathfinders with crisis and stealth teams. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4861314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I also run infantry heavy and never bought into spam. Taking objectives isn't the difficult bit it's killing things I find. I managed to kill a shadowsword in the first turn but it took an insane amount of firepower to drop. (10 fusion blasters, 4 destroyers, 8 seekers...) Across two turns I'd killed the shadowsword, a wyvern, a hellhound and dropped a lightning down to 2 wounds and the other 2 hounds heavily damaged. This was a 2500 point game. Due to wrong brass rod arriving I also gave the stormsurge it's final outing (replaced the y'vahra the rod was needed for). Destroyers were useful but not worth the investment of a whole stormsurge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4861511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Sirus Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 This gives me some hope as the last thing i bought was 1 riptide so i only have a hammerhead and fusion crisis suits as anti armour at this point Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4861536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Despite the gripes about riptides in 8th I think a nova charged ion accelerator is one of the better non fw anti tank options. Ultimately if you don't want to spam commanders (I don't!) then it'll take creativity or fw for tank killing. My commander and bodyguards run pure fusion and that helps a huge amount! Brother Captain Sirus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4862000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Eh the Ion Accelerator is alright against tanks. Better than the Heavy burst cannon for sure but that's not its purpose so that's hardly an argument. If you want some non-commander anti-tank you could always just include a Ghostkeel or Crisis Suits or Longstrike&Friends. T'au really have more options than just spamming Commander. Overall if I had to take a Riptide I would always go with Heavy burst cannon + ATS. 12 S6 AP-3 D1 shots > 1d6 S9 AP-3 S3 shots. Especially with our bad BS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/336571-how-are-the-tau-faring-in-8th-so-far/page/4/#findComment-4862040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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