BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 To cry openly can show strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I don't mean to assault his masculinity or anything, I just mean that's almost all we ever see him do. They talked about him weeping, described it for us, and then just put in at the end 'o yeah, then he exterminated everything on Murder.' Apart from him de-winging Ka'Bantha and tapping Kyriss, have we seen him even swing his sword? I guess he sparred with Kurze for a hot minute Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I seem to remember some really awesome fight scenes when they were on the daemon world... loved it when Sang landed their barge on the planet and commenced operation Kick Ass ! <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yeah it's not so much the weeping, it's expected. He teared up when he saw the Emperor. The tears are even depicted in death masks. It's just that we haven't gotten a good taste of much else. During Imperium Secundus, he should have been personally leading the Angels in divine retribution against the traitors, not moping around. He shouldnt have been trying to find a look alike (the first Sanguinor) so that he wouldn't have to deal with harsh realities, he should have been like Gabriel and Michael, the Archangels that lead the wars against hell. He should have gladly embraced his role as the new Emperor so that he could seek vengeance against those that betrayed his father. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Like they should have continued his wrath from fighting Ka'Bhanda, but they didn't. And like I said, his fight with Ka'Bhanda used to be a big deal, but now it's just a normal, "welcome to the club" thing. Like I wish that he would have had the Black Rage. Instead of passing out when so many of his sons died, he should have gone on a berserk rampage, as described in his original index astartes when his tribe was threatened. Edited August 17, 2017 by Arkangilos rendingon1+ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I'd like another author who gets BA to completely cut out this "angelic" bull:cuss. I want to see Sanguinius as a general, warlord and a fighter. Not some delicate, crying, philosopher-mystic he's now. No. We had enough of this (and it wasn't done convincingly by any author imho) I want to see cold, furious, pissed off Sanguinius that makes veteran traitor astartes/demons :cuss their pants in fear. HeritorA and veterannoob 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Based on Dante, I really want Guy Haley to do them. DarkChaplain, BLACK BLΠFLY and veterannoob 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 It used to be a tragedy that Horus killed Sanguinius. Now it's a blessing. In fact I heard that the new HH will unfold the fight scene like this: Sanguinius: "My beloved brother, what have you done? *sob* Horus: "Die you stupid crying git, I'm going to kill you with my big anti-crying claws!" BLACK BLΠFLY and rendingon1+ 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Sanguinus at Siege: We will drown those traitors in a tide of...Tears! Cry! Cry with me my sons! Cry for the Emperor!" + https://youtu.be/HTJwhS0-Y7U?t=3s Edited August 17, 2017 by rendingon1+ BLACK BLΠFLY and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 This just makes me worried about who is to write the "Doom of the Death Guard" novel. In my humble opinion - there are only two possible contenders sadly - Swallow and Haley. Due to a lot of reason. Swallow did do a good job with Exocytosis. Which was a great short. If i have to place my bets though, it would be Chris Wraight. He has done a fair amount of work for the Death Guard recently. As promised, my tweet a few months back to Chris Wraight: Timothy Wisham @TimothyWisham May 21 @wraightc Any chance we might see you tackle the Death Guard in their own HH or 40k novels? Loved the work you have done on them so far 1 reply 0 retweets 1 like Chris Wraight @wraightc Replying to @TimothyWisham Thanks Tim. Nothing lined up for DG in the near future, I'm afraid, but love writing them so never say never HeritorA 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'd like another author who gets BA to completely cut out this "angelic" bull:cuss. I want to see Sanguinius as a general, warlord and a fighter. Not some delicate, crying, philosopher-mystic he's now. No. We had enough of this (and it wasn't done convincingly by any author imho) I want to see cold, furious, pissed off Sanguinius that makes veteran traitor astartes/demons their pants in fear. So,,,,you want not Sanguinius? :P Like, he's both of those things simultaneously, severing one just creates either a slightly cooler Corvus Corax or Angron lite. Sandlemad 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 in regards to Sangy I think it shows the depth of his character that he can weep over his sons deaths and their curse. The primarchs were designed to feel emotions more strongly than regular humans. I really hope that we've evolved past the "men don't cry" men's code at this point. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4860970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I agree. He was the best Primarch sans none and exemplar. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 Horus was the best Primarch hands down, not the answer I like but it is what it is. Marshal Rohr and rendingon1+ 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Lots of fragile gamers in this thread. Calas Typhon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'd like another author who gets BA to completely cut out this "angelic" bull:cuss. I want to see Sanguinius as a general, warlord and a fighter. Not some delicate, crying, philosopher-mystic he's now. No. We had enough of this (and it wasn't done convincingly by any author imho) I want to see cold, furious, pissed off Sanguinius that makes veteran traitor astartes/demons their pants in fear. Exactly. What we saw so far is an 'emo monk' and not a Primarch general. Lots of fragile gamers in this thread. There is a difference between fragile games and people who want to read good stuff Ranwulf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) I'd like another author who gets BA to completely cut out this "angelic" bull:cuss. I want to see Sanguinius as a general, warlord and a fighter. Not some delicate, crying, philosopher-mystic he's now. No. We had enough of this (and it wasn't done convincingly by any author imho) I want to see cold, furious, pissed off Sanguinius that makes veteran traitor astartes/demons their pants in fear. Exactly. What we saw so far is an 'emo monk' and not a Primarch general. Lots of fragile gamers in this thread.There is a difference between fragile games and people who want to read good stuffFound one. Edited August 18, 2017 by Marshal Rohr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) in regards to Sangy I think it shows the depth of his character that he can weep over his sons deaths and their curse. The primarchs were designed to feel emotions more strongly than regular humans. I really hope that we've evolved past the "men don't cry" men's code at this point.I don't think peopl would have an issue with it if the bad ass side was shown more. But right now they have only really selected his emotional side. He basically sat on the side lines of Imperium Secundus, which is why I have a problem with it. Yes, he's teary eyed. Yes, he cries and mourns, and even has tears of joy (which goes all the way back to Index Astartes), but he's also an angry angel of vengeance that wiped out almost all of the mutants single handedly when they threatened his tribe. He went out of his way to protect his people. In Imperium Secundus they didn't show this. He should have lead armies in hunting down ALL of the traitors. He should have actively sought out vengeance for the betrayal. I could care less about the emotion, and I'm willing to bet others would either of they would have shown the vengeance. As for the man code thing, I've never met a man who has been opposed to crying so long as you still accomplish what you need to do. Even in the infantry where I've seen people have been chastised for crying, it's not that they cried, it's that they cried rather than do what needed to be done. Even if the saying is "men don't cry" it's not that they aren't allowed to cry, it's that they aren't allowed to let crying stop them from doing what they need to get done. I've been so angry that I was on the brink of tearing up, and not a single person (who had chastised others for crying) said a single thing to me because it didn't stop me. Edited August 18, 2017 by Arkangilos rendingon1+, HeritorA and Indefragable 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 in regards to Sangy I think it shows the depth of his character that he can weep over his sons deaths and their curse. The primarchs were designed to feel emotions more strongly than regular humans. I really hope that we've evolved past the "men don't cry" men's code at this point.I don't think peopl would have an issue with it if the bad ass side was shown more. But right now they have only really selected his emotional side. He basically sat on the side lines of Imperium Secundus, which is why I have a problem with it. Yes, he's teary eyed. Yes, he cries and mourns, and even has tears of joy (which goes all the way back to Index Astartes), but he's also an angry angel of vengeance that wiped out almost all of the mutants single handedly when they threatened his tribe. He went out of his way to protect his people. In Imperium Secundus they didn't show this. He should have lead armies in hunting down ALL of the traitors. He should have actively sought out vengeance for the betrayal. I could care less about the emotion, and I'm willing to bet others would either of they would have shown the vengeance. As for the man code thing, I've never met a man who has been opposed to crying so long as you still accomplish what you need to do. Even in the infantry where I've seen people have been chastised for crying, it's not that they cried, it's that they cried rather than do what needed to be done. Even if the saying is "men don't cry" it's not that they aren't allowed to cry, it's that they aren't allowed to let crying stop them from doing what they need to get done. I've been so angry that I was on the brink of tearing up, and not a single person (who had chastised others for crying) said a single thing to me because it didn't stop me. Well said and absolutely right. Hope Annandale will do justice to him and will show his 'battleprowess' (but Annandale did not serve - so I don't know how he would be able to show the true aggression and emotions of the internal conflict during a war) Time will tell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 If memory serves me correctly Horus went out of his way to avoid the Angel until the end when he was juiced up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Horus wanted him dead, not just out of the way. He wanted him to be broken at Signus, but Erebus and co altered the deal and wanted another puppet, one better than Angron. Sanguinius is probably the only Primarch Horus feared. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Well as the reader I have no idea why Horus feared Sanguinius. I have nothing to back that up. Horus could have kicked Sanguinius' ass even before he turned naughty. Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Well as the reader I have no idea why Horus feared Sanguinius. I have nothing to back that up. Horus could have kicked Sanguinius' ass even before he turned naughty. Clearly Horus does not feel the same way, or is at least not confident in that assumption. I mean yes it sucks we got 15 Raven Guard, and 13 Salamander books instead of a few showing us the Sons of Horus and Angels working together, or Death Guard, or pre-Angron World Eaters, or post reunion Night Lords, and why exactly Horus felt about Sanguinius that way...but its beyond the point of crying over spilt milk...we will never get some of the things we wanted at this point in the Heresy Arc. :[ Arkangilos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I have to say I've enjoyed the RG novels. Ranwulf and DarkChaplain 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 As I said earlier, I'm still waiting for ANY Death Guard centric novels. The most tragic fall of any legion in the books and we have nothing for it in terms of BL novels. It boggles the mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338040-so-now-that-the-horus-heresy-is-almost-over/page/3/#findComment-4861666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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