Ascanius Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 False Gods: 1.5 (swayed away) Galaxy in Flames: 1 Fulgrim: 4 Descent of Angels: 2 A Thousand Sons: 2 Prospero Burns: 0 (but 16 wet leopard-growls/snarls/purrs) The Outcast Dead: 3 The Primarchs: 1 ("The Reflection Crack'd") Vengeful Spirit: 2 Legacies of Betrayal: 3 ("Thief of Revelations", "Lucius, the Eternal Blade", "The Eightfold Path") War Without End: 1 ("The Devine Adoratrice") The Silent War: 0.5 ("Templar", swayed like a tree in the wind) Angels of Caliban: 0.5 (swayed out of the attack) Praetorian of Dorn: 2.5 (3 x swayed back) Corax: 2 (2 x swayed, swayed to his left, swayed to one side) Augustus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I personally prefer "relocated to a position of near-direct adjacency, but beyond the reach of the present harm, intentional or incidental," but that's just me. HeritorA, JH79, Xisor and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Huh? LOYAL-TRAITOR 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So what? Isn't it a normal verb? Most of my novels are in German, so I don't see the point in this. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So what? Isn't it a normal verb? Most of my novels are in German, so I don't see the point in this. ^^ Could you explain the point of this thread to the people who cant understand whatmhacdebhandia ment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) I commented in another thread that Black Library authors ought to be banned from using the phrase "swayed aside" in future, because it's overused to the point of irritating me every time it comes up in a fight scene. I started this thread to illustrate how often it's been used in the series without further derailing the original conversation. The only book I own but couldn't check was Scars because the e-book won't upload to Google Books correctly. AD-B got my point. It's a perfectly normal phrase construction (if a little inelegant in my opinion*) but it's reused and reused in fight scenes. Graham McNeill uses it the most, as should be obvious from the list, but he's far from alone. * To me, "sway" has connotations of involuntary movement, like swaying while drunk or swaying in the wind. Edited August 28, 2017 by mhacdebhandia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I commented in another thread that Black Library authors ought to be banned from using the phrase "swayed aside" in future, because it's overused to the point of irritating me every time it comes up in a fight scene. I started this thread to illustrate how often it's been used in the series without further derailing the original conversation. The only book I own but couldn't check was Scars because the e-book won't upload to Google Books correctly. AD-B got my point. It's a perfectly normal phrase construction (if a little inelegant in my opinion*) but it's reused and reused in fight scenes. Graham McNeill uses it the most, as should be obvious from the list, but he's far from alone. * To me, "sway" has connotations of involuntary movement, like swaying while drunk or swaying in the wind. Soo - they could be swaying trying to dodge the incoming bolter fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I commented in another thread that Black Library authors ought to be banned from using the phrase "swayed aside" in future, because it's overused to the point of irritating me every time it comes up in a fight scene. I started this thread to illustrate how often it's been used in the series without further derailing the original conversation. The only book I own but couldn't check was Scars because the e-book won't upload to Google Books correctly. AD-B got my point. It's a perfectly normal phrase construction (if a little inelegant in my opinion*) but it's reused and reused in fight scenes. Graham McNeill uses it the most, as should be obvious from the list, but he's far from alone. * To me, "sway" has connotations of involuntary movement, like swaying while drunk or swaying in the wind. Soo - they could be swaying trying to dodge the incoming bolter fire That's not swaying. That's dodging. Swaying is a sign of physical weakness under duress, a sudden and momentarily passing lack of equilibrium, almost to the point of falling, but not falling altogether. It's not dodging. Step aside. Weave aside. Sidestep. Pivot. That's a voluntary dodge, based on quick footwork. All from boxing and fencing slang / other sports. Swaying has you on the spot, with a sudden lack of control over your body. You sway when so tired, hungry or drunk that you almost fall, sometimes on the verge of sleep or unconsciousness. LOYAL-TRAITOR 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If we are going to ban anything it should be using 'ever'. LOYAL-TRAITOR 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If we are going to ban anything it should be using 'ever'. Ever, swayed aside and eternal :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOYAL-TRAITOR Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 never realized how wimpy swayed to the side sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I would like to tattle on AD-B for Horus Reborn weaving aside. Swaying can work in the right context, though. It can indicate how in control a fighter is, if he just needs a lean a bit to avoid an attack. But yeah, it's overused to the Warp and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 He was not wrong. I really don't care for "he was not wrong" and its permutations. It's much like the archness of recording Blood Angels to Angels of Blood, Angels of Darkness. Conspicuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 AHA! Now I know whatcha talkin' 'bout, mate. Tbh, I would never noticed any of those repetitions, even while reading in English. For discovering this, you earned my respect. :tu: HeritorA 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 AHA! Now I know whatcha talkin' 'bout, mate. Tbh, I would never noticed any of those repetitions, even while reading in English. For discovering this, you earned my respect. Ahhhh - indeed. It's so nice then someone with a good grasp of English go into the abyss dive to the truth :) Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 As I commented in the other thread, I think I noticed the overuse of it more because I listen to the Horus Heresy audiobooks (though I have the first 40 as e-books from the recent Humble Bundle, as well). I find most descriptions of fights fairly tedious to read, when I can and do skim through them at a faster pace, so that tedium is exacerbated when I can only absorb them at the pace of the actor's speech. Because of my ADHD, if I tune out I'll probably get distracted by something else and miss the point where the fight is over, so I have to make myself pay attention. The only way I've found to do that is to think about how the phrases I'm hearing are constructed and performed, so my mind has something to occupy it, which means I notice the repetition of things like "swayed aside" which rub me the wrong way. I also wonder if the audiobook experience accounts for why I don't have the same problems with "filler" novels as some other people. I really liked The Outcast Dead, for instance, and having just started Deathfire today I'm quite pleased to be getting back to both Imperium Secundus and the Salamanders. I didn't really get the point of The Damnation of Pythos until I was close to the end, but ultimately I was really satisfied with the full dimensions of it, especially the coda. Of course, it's also possible that I'm more sanguine about it simply because I'm not even close to being caught up - I have 13 more published books after Deathfire, plus 6 Primarchs novels, plus whatever they put out before I finish listening to those 20 books. Given my ADHD, I'm actually very likely to lose interest in the series temporarily, more than once, before I finish everything they've already published, so I may not catch up before the last book is published. Xisor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Wet leopards need banning hopkins and Augustus 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Wet leopards need banning The ever wet snarl of a swaying leopard who was not wrong. Augustus and HeritorA 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 For me it was something like "if he noticed, he gave no sign" or permutations of this. William King was the worst offender, imo (in the Slayer series of Gotrek and Felix books - which is Fantasy so I shan't discuss that further here), though I have noticed it in other author's books, too. I know it's just a regular phrase, but I saw it so often in King's books, I just detest the phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I also have a dislike for the word reverie Too many Astartes have them. I get nightmares about them daydreaming all the time! HeritorA 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) I also have a dislike for the word reverie Too many Astartes have them. I get nightmares about them daydreaming all the time! How else are they supposed to know to wake up in the morning? Edited August 29, 2017 by Marshal Rohr R_F_D and Arkangilos 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Wet leopards need banning Wet leopard growl yada yada. (Or wait - just a dream but how about Imperium ban SW as a whole ) I also have a dislike for the word reverie Too many Astartes have them. I get nightmares about them daydreaming all the time! Bolter reverie, Chapter Master reverie, Codex Astartes reverie and on and on it spins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I also have a dislike for the word reverie Too many Astartes have them. I get nightmares about them daydreaming all the time! How else are they supposed to know to wake up in the morning? A-khem. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reverie reverie noun rev·er·ie \ˈre-və-rē, ˈrev-rē\ variants: or less commonly revery Examples: reverie in a Sentence Definition of reverie plural reveries 1: daydream 2: the condition of being lost in thought https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reveille reveille noun rev·eil·le \ˈre-və-lē, British ri-ˈva-lē or -ˈve-\ Definition of reveille 1: a signal to get up mornings 2: a bugle call at about sunrise signaling the first military formation of the day; also : the formation so signaled HeritorA and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I also have a dislike for the word reverie Too many Astartes have them. I get nightmares about them daydreaming all the time! How else are they supposed to know to wake up in the morning? A-khem. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reverie reverie noun rev·er·ie \ˈre-və-rē, ˈrev-rē\ variants: or less commonly revery Examples: reverie in a Sentence Definition of reverie plural reveries 1: daydream 2: the condition of being lost in thought https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reveille reveille noun rev·eil·le \ˈre-və-lē, British ri-ˈva-lē or -ˈve-\ Definition of reveille 1: a signal to get up mornings 2: a bugle call at about sunrise signaling the first military formation of the day; also : the formation so signaled Heresy ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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