Beams Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) It's 20 pts. It's a forgeworld unit. It gives one infantry unit a +1 to hit vs a unit within 36" of the light Edited October 3, 2017 by Beams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris521 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Funny little thing that was brought up on dakka. Apparently the ogryn bodyguard works for Pask and Tank Commanders. Seems like something that like will get hit with an faq, but if the rule survives, it could be pretty useful to keep Pask alive. Seems kind of expensive for anything else besides a named character. noigrim 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I too have a Hades and I think it would be nice as <Catachan>: I like the idea of Catachans with shotguns, and since the Hades 'veterans' are only BS 4+ (might be a typo, but that's it...), I'd just give them double flamers. Also, being possibly in a position to charge, the Vets will enjoy having Strength 4 and a tooled-up sarge. It's only a pity they cannot be accompanied by 1 character... I don't think it is a typo. The hades vets also have higher LD than "normal vets" and technically deepstrike for the same price as bs 3+ vets. With the volume of shots they pump out and the cheap cost of the unit overall. It is a steal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr13 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Ah, right... for some reason I read that as engineers... which in itself is odd, considering they cant even be taken with Hades atm, iirc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcolepticltd Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 If you take the Hades in a Tallarn regiment, it also gains the keyword of Shai Hulud Mitchverr, Die4Emprah, NatBrannigan and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral_80 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 If you take the Hades in a Tallarn regiment, it also gains the keyword of Shai Hulud Now *that* would be a count-as I'd like to see. duz_ and narcolepticltd 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 It's 20 pts. It's a forgeworld unit. It gives one infantry unit a +1 to hit vs a unit within 36" of the light I believe it is 48", unless it has been changed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Those searchlights do sound very interesting... Not as fun as the Hades though. I have a mining outpost themed board so really want one in my army. I'll just use it as terrain if I don't use it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Those searchlights do sound very interesting... Not as fun as the Hades though. I have a mining outpost themed board so really want one in my army. I'll just use it as terrain if I don't use it! Mining Outpost themed? That's awesome! Which Doctrine are you thinking for them? Catachan for the extra strength from working in the mines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 It's just the board that's mining / volcanic themed. It started off as volcanic for my Lizardmen and I added Mining scenery to Sci-fi it up a bit when required. My Guard are Praetorian so it's Mordian doctrine all the way. I'm making a unit of Conscripts out of Genestealer Neophytes to represent the miners being forced kindly offered the opportunity to defend their outpost. I quite like the idea of one of my Veteran units coming from the mining planet, so making use of mining equipment, to tie everything together a little bit more. And the best thunderbirds episodes were the ones where they used the Mole Miner! Halfpint100 and duz_ 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I annoyed that I need Catachan heads for my Astral Fusiliers. Gonna go with a Navy theme for them. Dark Blue berets and bandanas, khaki armour and green camouflage. Edited October 4, 2017 by Sete Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Every time I come across a new bit of info the Guard look even better. I now see that the LR Executioner only suffers 1 Mortal Wound when it rolls a 1 instead of 6 AND can keep firing afterwards? The only negative I've seen so far is the Conscript "Nerf" which is really really mild. The only two disappointments I have are that Vanquishers are still utter rubbish and Rough Riders aren't in the codex. The only confusing thing is Crusaders popping up in the codex. No idea why they are there but I use them with my Inquisitor so... Yay! No moaning by the way, if that's how it comes across! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Every time I come across a new bit of info the Guard look even better. I now see that the LR Executioner only suffers 1 Mortal Wound when it rolls a 1 instead of 6 AND can keep firing afterwards? The only negative I've seen so far is the Conscript "Nerf" which is really really mild. The only two disappointments I have are that Vanquishers are still utter rubbish and Rough Riders aren't in the codex. The only confusing thing is Crusaders popping up in the codex. No idea why they are there but I use them with my Inquisitor so... Yay! No moaning by the way, if that's how it comes across! Even better, Crusaders now have the AM keyword, which means they're eligible for our psychic powers. In case you wanted 2++ -1 to hit cc monsters. Halfpint100 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4902765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 And they can ride in Guard Transports! Excellent... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) https://i.redd.it/tfmx1ebz4ypz.png For your consideration: they are saying that Krieg does, in fact, get doctrines. Edited October 5, 2017 by Beams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Wow, crusaders with 2++! I think that could be a cool opportunity for Arbites conversions, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr13 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 https://i.redd.it/tfmx1ebz4ypz.png For your consideration: they are saying that Krieg does, in fact, get doctrines. our_baz and Galron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral_80 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Why do some people always have to actively look for idiocy and abuse stuff. The Wh40k facebook team has proven to be wrong about rules many times, and I hope this is one of those. It makes no sense at all that Elysians or Krieg use some other named regiment's doctrine. They should simply get their own, based on the bonus they receive from the FW index. I hope a FAQ will fix this, before a real FW codex rewrites them. As always, despite some improvements, the GW+FW lack of communication and consistency results in a mess. Will they ever learn to speak with each other before they release stuff? It's ridiculous. I can only imagine the over-excited waac nerds out there as they envisage new ways to abuse the game. Get a life. narcolepticltd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Wow, my Elysians just got even nastier. I haven't even thought about how the doctrines would interact with them. Rerolling ones will be nasty on deep striking units. I think Cadian doctrine might help more than anything else allowing your officers to give different orders instead of the reroll ones thing. Of course deepstriking at 18" allows your Steel legion plasmas to still rapid fire. I think the reroll one thing might be best though just because of all the plasma and melta I bring because if stuff doesn't die on the drop, my dudes will the next turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) @Feral- I am sure FW will rewrite this at some point in the near future to where Elysians doctrine is the deepstrike and leadership thing. Until then, my paratroopers are really frikking elite troops now and outshoot space marines. D99 anyone? Besides the more its abused the faster it will get changed which is a good thing. Edited October 5, 2017 by Galron narcolepticltd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Na no one would allow that to happen. The DKoK dont have the regiment keyword right? If they dont its pretty cut and dry. Not sure how thats even a topic for them to discuss LordCommanderSamirus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnyogrady Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 https://i.redd.it/tfmx1ebz4ypz.png For your consideration: they are saying that Krieg does, in fact, get doctrines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The cadian doctrine requires you to not move to gain reroll 1's. Deep striking counts as moving. Wow, my Elysians just got even nastier. I haven't even thought about how the doctrines would interact with them. Rerolling ones will be nasty on deep striking units. I think Cadian doctrine might help more than anything else allowing your officers to give different orders instead of the reroll ones thing. Of course deepstriking at 18" allows your Steel legion plasmas to still rapid fire. I think the reroll one thing might be best though just because of all the plasma and melta I bring because if stuff doesn't die on the drop, my dudes will the next turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ahh ok, I haven't really looked at that one since I hadn't planned on using it. I am doing a crunchy Elysian list and was likely going to use either catachan or steel legion anyway with all the tanks I had planned. Didn't and still don't like the idea of different doctrines in different detachments so I was going to just pick one for everyone. Ill have to go look through the rules when I ever get around to getting the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
our_baz Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 https://i.redd.it/tfmx1ebz4ypz.png For your consideration: they are saying that Krieg does, in fact, get doctrines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338994-new-codex-incoming/page/19/#findComment-4903414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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