Kassill Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Curious what your guys experience with it has been? Any particular PSI setting that seems to work best? Also, being an air line, do you thin it at all or use it as is? And if so with what? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It is pretty thin, but still way too thick to just airbrush out of the pot with the commonly used needle sizes and PSI. Sort of like Stynylrez. Using whatever you thin with should be fine, even water. I just used water for mine because the color I was using was Tallarn Sand for basing, so I didn't care enough to treat it super special. Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4882711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Yeah it's giving me the hardest time lately. Low, medium and high psi all give me the same "splatter" of paint that is unacceptable, and thinning it hasn't gotten me any better results. I got this with the intention of having smooth even coats on larger models vs. using a brush. And I have had success, but I haven't airbrushed in close to two years so I'm trying to re-learn it all....again. Edited September 11, 2017 by Kassill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4883215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Mix with Vallejo Flow Improver, just as you should with ANY "DEDICATED" AIRBRUSH PAINT ON THE MARKET. Well, except maybe for Schmincke, because they're actually serious about quality of their product. Kisada, duz_ and Damo1701 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4883228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Alright. What about PSI settings? I can't remember the sweet spot I had before. I see some people say as low as 10-15 (which feels like someone lightly breathing) and others say 35-40+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4883261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imren Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 That depends alot on how much you thinned the paint and also how close you need to be with the airbrush to the painted area. Generally speaking, if you go as low and 10-15 psi, you're thinning your paint very much and shoot very thin lines, otherwise it will spurt, splatter and spider. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4887490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Thanks for all the input guys. So if you've seen my other thread I thought maybe my brush was the problem.....well in the process of trying to find the problem I created more problems....So I did some research and got a Badger Patriot 105, flow improver, and some other odds and ends to keep this brush in tip top shape. I did a test tonight with the same Citadel Air and new stuff, and had no issue at all between 15-18 psi. My last airbrush on that setting felt like someone lightly breathing, but this one still slings paint efficiently. TL;DR: broke my last airbrush trying to fix an issue so bought a new system, paint works with flow improver. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4887519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I was actually going to start a very similar thread!Having just got my own set up (Badger 105 + compressor) I went out and bough a few Citadel air paints (made sense seeing as I use exclusively GW paints with my brushes) I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having problems with the black! The Macragge blue seemed to behave better.I was playing with on the weekend and noticed it seemed "too thin", I tried various pressures between 25 - 10psi and would get that unwanted splatter.... Will the flow improver help prevent that? I thought flow improver was more for "thicker" paints vs over thinned? Do the FW paints have similiar issues?Finally has anyone perchance done a Vallejo / Citadel paint conversion chart? Assuming Vallejo is more forgiving to use. Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4890108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 I was actually going to start a very similar thread! Having just got my own set up (Badger 105 + compressor) I went out and bough a few Citadel air paints (made sense seeing as I use exclusively GW paints with my brushes) I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having problems with the black! The Macragge blue seemed to behave better. I was playing with on the weekend and noticed it seemed "too thin", I tried various pressures between 25 - 10psi and would get that unwanted splatter.... Will the flow improver help prevent that? I thought flow improver was more for "thicker" paints vs over thinned? Do the FW paints have similiar issues? Finally has anyone perchance done a Vallejo / Citadel paint conversion chart? Assuming Vallejo is more forgiving to use. I've had no issues like before with my new Badger 105. 2 drops of flow improver with some paint has given me happy splatter free results so far. As far as too thin, I'm not sure. Maybe try mixing it with some regular non citadel air black (in a separate cup/pot) ? duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4890258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I also stumbled across this today Looks like someone already did the hard work of the paint line conversions for me :) http://cdn.acrylicosvallejo.com/bffb19536c349f3520e1bc6c1ec9abc2/CC082-Rev02-baja.pdf Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4890486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I also stumbled across this today Looks like someone already did the hard work of the paint line conversions for me http://cdn.acrylicosvallejo.com/bffb19536c349f3520e1bc6c1ec9abc2/CC082-Rev02-baja.pdf Link no worky mate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Hrmm, works for me...Otherwise the brochure is here http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/downloads Under the "Game Air" link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I've found the citadel air paints spray fine through a 0.4mm needle at around 20 psi, which I use a lot for basecoating. The 0.2mm needle needs them thinned though, although you don't need much vallejo thinner to make it go through cleanly. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisada Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 My advice regarding citadel air ... Get some dropper bottles and a funnel ... Also ... if you can find a vallejo equivalent I would go with that ... their bottles are 17mL vs citadel 12mL. $4.25 for 12mL vs $3.29 for 17mL and it already comes in a dropper bottle. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 The dropper bottles are a godsend. I transfer any paint that's going through my airbrush into them. Do you use funnels to transfer the paint or pipettes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I actually just bought some disposable pipettes. Which would would you recommend the pipettes, dripper or both? Is there much a difference between the dripper bottles? There's a lot of choice (and price changes) on Amazon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisada Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 The dropper bottles are a godsend. I transfer any paint that's going through my airbrush into them. Do you use funnels to transfer the paint or pipettes? I bought a cheap ($1.50?) funnel from Harbour Freight here in the USA that fits my dropper bottles perfectly. I actually just bought some disposable pipettes. Which would would you recommend the pipettes, dripper or both? Is there much a difference between the dripper bottles? There's a lot of choice (and price changes) on Amazon. I don't know about all of them ... this is the one I bought (I think I got the 15mL size) https://www.amazon.com/Teensery-Plastic-Squeezable-Dropper-Dropping/dp/B016B34HEY?th=1 They've been working just fine for me duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4891853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 I actually had some I got off ebay and did the transfer while waiting for the new brush to arrive. It's so much nicer being able to get exactly what I want into the cup and not feel like I've wasted as much if any. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4892272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Personly i wouldnt waste money for GW Air colors if i have the color already. They go well through an airbrush when you thin them with Vallejo Airbrush thinner. Or you could look for colors like Scalecolor which have been designed to use by brush and airbrush, where you wouldnt need matching colors for changing tools. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4893068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 My advice regarding citadel air ... Get some dropper bottles and a funnel ... Also ... if you can find a vallejo equivalent I would go with that ... their bottles are 17mL vs citadel 12mL. $4.25 for 12mL vs $3.29 for 17mL and it already comes in a dropper bottle. Just a protip: you don't actually need a funnel, you just have to pour slowly and carefully. Depending on how thick the paint is, you just have to tilt slower or faster. Of course if you have very shaky hands or tend to spill things a lot, then by all means, get a micro funnel or build your own out of paper or something. Semper Fortis 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4893351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I was able to shoot some of the citadel air paints through a 0.2mm needle today neat at 18psi without thinner. The dark paints seem to have an easier time of it than the light ones. Mephiston Red didn't spray cleanly but Abaddon black did. I'll keep experimenting. Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4893920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I've had more sucess with Macragge blue than Abaddon Black air. I've been trying various combinations of thinner and improver through my badger. Seems like a small amount (ie 1 or 2) drops of improver definitely seems the way to go at least for getting the base coat down. I haven't tried smaller details at below 16psi yet. Kassill 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4893934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 50-50 thinned standard layers worked really well at 15psi on Cawl's robes. I mostly have bases in the air so I can cover large areas quickly but the layers work beautifully as air paints with Vallejo thinner (fun fact, I thought they sucked at first till I realised I'd thinned them with airbrush cleaner rather than thinner...) duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4894427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fortis Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 《Snip》 till I realised I'd thinned them with airbrush cleaner rather than thinner...) I am so glad I'm not the only one who has done that! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4895139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 I was able to shoot some of the citadel air paints through a 0.2mm needle today neat at 18psi without thinner. The dark paints seem to have an easier time of it than the light ones. Mephiston Red didn't spray cleanly but Abaddon black did. I'll keep experimenting. Yeah I shot some Mephiston red the other day for some AoS stuff. It sprayed well enough with some flow improver, but I did have to clean the tip more frequently than some other colors. Note: This wasnt the Citadel Air version, so I'm curious to try it out soon and see what happens Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339247-citadel-air/#findComment-4903707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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