End of an era for BL?

[D3L]

on a progressive note the GW abandonment of 30k and 40k only opens up the doors for the community to step up and fill the void

so, even if they do a War of the Beast bodge, the community can adapt and rectify, not much worry

I can't see them focusing on another time-setting other than the new milkable cow (41k, dark imperium), after all, they're looking to flog primaris and large characters models in a simplified-unified easily accessible setting, one that currently has zero fluff and more plot holes than a saltine in a cupboard full of weevils

opening up a historical period would be seemingly counter to their business plans they're showing on their sleeves

Edited September 17, 2017 by D3L

[Charlo]

Considering FW has at least 15/20 books planned for their telling of the Heresy and we know BL and FW work closely on it I think we have a fair while until we actually see the siege.

[Irbis]

They couldn't do that without at least rolling out early canon versions of the II and XI, and I think those should be left alone.

 

How so? At that point they are still largely identical to each other, all legions having standard Terran organization, and temporary name. Do you know which legions say War Born or War Hounds became? In fact, this is about the only way to write about II and XI while leaving them a mystery still.

 

 

[bluntblade]

Considering FW has at least 15/20 books planned for their telling of the Heresy and we know BL and FW work closely on it I think we have a fair while until we actually see the siege.

Also authors seem to have been pulling more from the FW fluff in the last couple of years. Perhaps we'll see smaller-scale novels, things like Autek Mor's campaigns. FW's plans might also include the Scouring in those 15-20 books.

[deathspectersgt7]

Considering FW has at least 15/20 books planned for their telling of the Heresy and we know BL and FW work closely on it I think we have a fair while until we actually see the siege.

Milk that cash Cow. Mooooooooolah.

[Taliesin]

I disagree that this means the HH series will be over soon.

 

I think it means they're planning an outline of events to the end of the Heresy, but it might be 5 years till we get all the stories up to the death of Horus. They take a while to write and release.

 

 

 

I doubt it's going to last 5 years but I have a feeling it will be 2020 before all the novels have been released.

 

If it could be sooner, that would be great.

[HeritorA]

 

I disagree that this means the HH series will be over soon.

 

I think it means they're planning an outline of events to the end of the Heresy, but it might be 5 years till we get all the stories up to the death of Horus. They take a while to write and release.

 

 

 

I doubt it's going to last 5 years but I have a feeling it will be 2020 before all the novels have been released.

 

If it could be sooner, that would be great.

2020 - is the end.

2020 - is the end.

[m_r_parker]

I'd kinda like a half-way house on this to be honest. There's a lot of people who are looking for the main plot line of the series to regain focus and begin moving into the Siege, but personally I quite like the exploration of the setting and the various groups and characters that end up getting focus. I'm all for the main numbered series coming to an end with the Siege and immediate aftermath, but for BL to keep the HH setting around for future stories outside of the main storyline. At least in that way those who want to just see the main story arc be resolved don't feel they have to read every single short story in case they miss something thats going to be expanded on later, and those of us who want to read more about some of the more minor characters and groups can still get to do that.

Personally I'd like to see what happens between Meduson and Tybalt Marr, and learn a little more about Autek Mor.

[Ishagu]

More books on Guilliman's adventures in the 42nd millennium, please! :-D

[Iron Boss]

I think it's about time. A story that we all know the ending of, and it has been dragged out for all these years.

 

I don't think it should end on the siege though, I would like to read about some of the aftermath. As an Iron Warriors fan, I would love a book about the Iron Cage incident, called, you guessed it... 'The Iron Cage'.

[Commissar K.]

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

Edited September 19, 2017 by Commissar K.

[Blindhamster]

 

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

 

 this, sums my view perfectly

[HeritorA]

More books on Guilliman's adventures in the 42nd millennium, please! :-D

Heretek. Buirlliman and his spice girls do not deserve the glory

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

do not think that would be the case. They would run parallel with 'Scouring' storyline.

[Vel'Cona]

/dislike.  But it does open the doors for talented authors (and some notable exceptions) to focus their energies on the developing "modern 40k" setting.

 

I also suspect that even when the Siege of Terra concludes, there will be plenty of side-stories for various authors to tell in the HH timeline.  It's a big universe, after all . . . :)

[Zuvassin]

I'm pretty sure it's already been stated by BL and/or several of the authors that the Horus Heresy *numbered series* isn't the end of the Horus Heresy novels. Once this current series wraps up, there will continue to be books returning to various points and storylines of the overall HH.

 

Personally, I'd love books on the Badab War and the Unification Wars. Especially with the passing of Alan Bligh and the FW Badab Wars books no longer being available, it'd be nice seeing someone take up the mantle on that bit of lore.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

 

 

The majority of the Heresy has yet to be covered by FW. Its more important for them to finish the Heresy than help along whatever garbage the studio is producing. 

[deathspectersgt7]

 Or Visa , Versa. .

Edited September 20, 2017 by deathspectersgt7

[Bulwyf]

I want to see a Great Crusade series that shows each primarch being found, the Legions interacting with each other and leading up to the first Horus Horesy novel, Horus Rising.

Edited September 20, 2017 by Bulwyf

[Blindhamster]

 

 

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

 

 

The majority of the Heresy has yet to be covered by FW. Its more important for them to finish the Heresy than help along whatever garbage the studio is producing. 

 

 

For forgeworld? Yeah, probably better that they finish getting at least basic rules out for the outdated ruleset (which I will admit is better for heresy than it was for 7th, but i still prefer 8th).

 

For Black Library? Absolutely not, better that they move on to something new, it makes logical business sense for that to be a plethora of novels set in the Dark Imperium of 41k (or 40k, depending on which calendar system we go by!!). But I'd be equally happy to see them tackle other eras too.

[Urriak Urruk]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/20/the-siege-of-terra-dawns/

 

Nothing new is really said, apart from all the writers trying to work out the kinks of the tale... like who breaches the walls first.

[m0nolith]

I'd kinda like a half-way house on this to be honest. There's a lot of people who are looking for the main plot line of the series to regain focus and begin moving into the Siege, but personally I quite like the exploration of the setting and the various groups and characters that end up getting focus. I'm all for the main numbered series coming to an end with the Siege and immediate aftermath, but for BL to keep the HH setting around for future stories outside of the main storyline. At least in that way those who want to just see the main story arc be resolved don't feel they have to read every single short story in case they miss something thats going to be expanded on later, and those of us who want to read more about some of the more minor characters and groups can still get to do that.

Personally I'd like to see what happens between Meduson and Tybalt Marr, and learn a little more about Autek Mor.

I can not imagine that there won't be a market for more Heresy books after the siege is done. We're certainly going to get more, a la the Primarchs series, they just won't be in the main line of books. Of course, a lot of those characters I'm going to imagine will have their lines finished in the Scouring which will certainly happen as a series, but I would like a lot of the top authors to focus at least for a little while on 40k. The reality is that 40k lore right now is in the dumps, and even though we have great writers like Guy Haley and ADB writing 40k books, were going to need a few more to undo the poor implementation of Primaris lore and other things post Gathering Storm.

 

But when all of that is done, bring on the Badab War and Unfication Wars series'!

[Marshal Rohr]

 

 

 

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

 

 

The majority of the Heresy has yet to be covered by FW. Its more important for them to finish the Heresy than help along whatever garbage the studio is producing. 

 

 

For forgeworld? Yeah, probably better that they finish getting at least basic rules out for the outdated ruleset (which I will admit is better for heresy than it was for 7th, but i still prefer 8th).

 

For Black Library? Absolutely not, better that they move on to something new, it makes logical business sense for that to be a plethora of novels set in the Dark Imperium of 41k (or 40k, depending on which calendar system we go by!!). But I'd be equally happy to see them tackle other eras too.

 

 

 

That is what I meant. Forge World has gone all in on the Heresy now, and they need to wrap it up or it'll stagnate. Black Library needs to do the exact opposite, because the studio fluff is so weak that it needs some author driven expansion to give the setting more grit.

[Yodhrin]

 

 

 

 

I smell a current timeline book series in the off

Absolutely my thought aswell.

The HH series are great promotion for Forgeworld and their lines but Games Workshop also is working on this 8th edition and that really should also be supported with new lore. Something I think will be the new BL focus.

 

For sure other books will still continue with some reflections to the past but obviously we can't stick to HH for ever. It's allready fantastic that FW went so deep in it anyway for the past last years and I think almost every stone in the HH has been described now

 

I'm a huge fan of the HH series but I think that 40K should recieve the full attention again. Especially because 'new GW' has some really cool new grounds to cover.

 

 

The majority of the Heresy has yet to be covered by FW. Its more important for them to finish the Heresy than help along whatever garbage the studio is producing. 

 

 

For forgeworld? Yeah, probably better that they finish getting at least basic rules out for the outdated ruleset (which I will admit is better for heresy than it was for 7th, but i still prefer 8th).

 

For Black Library? Absolutely not, better that they move on to something new, it makes logical business sense for that to be a plethora of novels set in the Dark Imperium of 41k (or 40k, depending on which calendar system we go by!!). But I'd be equally happy to see them tackle other eras too.

 

 

 

That is what I meant. Forge World has gone all in on the Heresy now, and they need to wrap it up or it'll stagnate. Black Library needs to do the exact opposite, because the studio fluff is so weak that it needs some author driven expansion to give the setting more grit.

 

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​You're assuming they want Primarchwar 41,000 to have any grit - they don't seem to want a setting with ever increasing detail any more, they want an ongoing story about Big Hero Punchy Men punching things in ever coolerer and more awesomerer ways so they can flog the latest big centerpiece kit. Hell, look at something as basic as the shift in tone of the "intro blurb". Despite what was claimed a while ago about them getting back to their roots, I'm expecting a whole lot more Realmgate Wars-style stuff.

[bluntblade]

When people say they want a Unification series, is that like an actual equivalent to the Heresy books? Because that entails at least fluff for the pre-Primarch Lost Legions... and canon has the wars going on for centuries.

 

Like, Restorer (set right before the Siege) talks about Terra having had seas for the "last few centuries" - meaning the Emperor had sufficient control over parts of the world to begin terraforming, and yet still had at least decades of fighting to go until He ruled the entire surface.

[Goreshed]

I remember when the first HH book came out and I was ecstatic. Beyond overjoyed. And I expected the series to maybe be all of ten books. Instead we well past forty of them (just the main line ones) and they keep going. As someone who remembers the days before this series, it was a time where you could make up so many different stories to explain the heresy and they were all right because you literally had a few sentences about the important dates and no real time frame except it was seven years of galaxy wide civil war.

 

And then they did what they did and while some stories were fairly lame, most of them that I have read I've enjoyed. Why? Because it fleshed out a part of the universe that at that time was largely ignored. Then they spent the next ten years feeding us these novels and creating just as many questions as they did answers. Have they ridden this money train? Sure. I've got seven hundred dollars of FW HH books looking right at me now, not to mention 90% of the BL HH novels. I've practically given them my first born at this point. But as others have said all good things must come to an end.

 

They could go a thousand different ways with what they do next. As much as I want to see what has been suggested above, out of all of it I'd like to see more of the new edition gets some books, some really great books that we have become accustomed to seeing in the HH line up to really flesh out the new millenniums story. Specially the Chaos side of things.

 

If we are getting a list started however I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Traitor Wars within the Eye of Terror and more on Armageddon.