tvih Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Who cares about the Emperor's Children in disguise, tell me where they got those candles from. Many kobolds in Elwynn Forest lost their lives despite their protests to get these suspicious Astartes their candles. ronin_cse, Stoic Raptor and Frater Cornelius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4919571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) The paint scheme looks nice. Is it official? Edited November 4, 2017 by Montford981 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4924122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urriak Urruk Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 The paint scheme looks nice. Is it official? I suppose? Only source is the White Dwarf. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Phoenix Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4924416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Those with certain genes went traitor, so that means certain genes are predisposed to being traitorous. That (maybe) was true once, but it's completely wrong in modern, revised HH. You have hundreds of examples of bands from 'traitor' legions that stayed loyal despite obedience to primarch being literally hard wired into their brain, from Knights Errant through various Blackshields to groups that dropped the post-primarch legion name and returned to Terran one. Also, the traitors had to kill like 1/3 of their pre-HH strength on Ist-III even ignoring the above due to uncertain loyalty, so yeah, I don't see why these guys should be ostracised when DA, SW, WS or IF got a pass despite their Heresy 'performance'... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4925519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhalla130 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Wait... what IF "Heresy performance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4925559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I really like this color scheme actually and I really liked the Emperor's Children pre-heresy........hmmmmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4937350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Many kobolds in Elwynn Forest lost their lives despite their protests to get these suspicious Astartes their candles. YOU NO TAKE CANDLE!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4937361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_god Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I found the original painters blog for this scheme. It’s in French but goes through the painting and background info. http://leskouzes.blogspot.com/2017/10/son-of-phoenix.html?m=1 valhalla130 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4961668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninn Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 funny - no word about the Emperors Children. He didn't know about the controversy. valhalla130 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4962690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
valhalla130 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I found and read that the other night also. Either he's trolling us, instead of Cawl trolling Guilliman, or he really didn't think about it and it's a happy coincidence. I might do a squad of intercessors in this scheme. And every other scheme out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4962960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Coincidence? There's way too much coincidence in there for me to believe it's not intentional. He even says its standard for the chapter's marines to bear an Imperial Aquila on their helmet's forehead! So the name, scheme and iconography all refer to the III Legion... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4963233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 So the name, scheme and iconography all refer to the III Legion... They actually all refer to religion, whether Christian or the Ecclesiarchy. Someone more versed in liturgy than I am can tell you the importance of white and purple among the clergy, whereas the aquila symbolizes the Imperium and thus the Emperor, and these marines are basically a space marine version of the sisters of battle. Translation of the relevant bits from Kouzes' blog: I wished to make a chapter with a very religious look. I love this very 40K image of a processions of warriors drawn from various army corps, accompanied by civilians, pilgrims... So I chose very "ecclesiastic" colors with mostly white to evoke purity and call back to priests' robes. I chose purple for contrast, the color having something clerical, enhanced with gold to give a blazing finish to the whole. The idea is that this chapter is entirely composed of Primaris, successor to the Imperial Fists and thus directly linked to Holy Terra. They're commanded by chaplains, perpetuating a long tradition of rituals and prayers. They're followed in their crusades by several non-Astartes contingents like Ministorom priests, Imperial Guard, militias of fanatics, pilgrims, techpriests from the Adeptus Mechanicus and even some warriors of the Adeptus Custodes. (...) The imperial eagle on his forehead is a standard marking proper to the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4964632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) They actually all refer to religion, whether Christian or the Ecclesiarchy. Someone more versed in liturgy than I am can tell you the importance of white and purple among the clergy, whereas the aquila symbolizes the Imperium and thus the Emperor, and these marines are basically a space marine version of the sisters of battle.Alright, let me be more clear. While the other pretends the colors and iconography are references to ecclesiarchy, in-universe there is far more of a link between the colors, name and icons and the III Legion than there are between the colors, name and icons and the Imperial Church... It might be a conicidence. It doesn't look like one. Edited December 20, 2017 by Spinsanity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340171-cawl-snuck-in-some-traitor-geneseed-to-troll-guilliman/page/2/#findComment-4964703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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