Post Dark Imperium books

[Blindhamster]

He also views the primaris as the future, and takes care to teach them to be more than just marines.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Primarus are the future.

[Robbienw]

Decimus Felix thinks he views them as the future, gulliman doesn't actually say or think that himself.

[Mellow]

I’m surprised that no one has made a huge fuss over Cawl just making Astartes so much better without being the “all knowing lord of mankind”

[Blindhamster]

Decimus Felix thinks he views them as the future, gulliman doesn't actually say or think that himself.

 

That is a fair point, though Guilliman does think cawls feat at the creation of the primaris was "amazing" (exact word in the book is amazingly). Felix' theories are a combination of theoretical and practicals based on what he knows of Guilliman - baring in mind there doesnt appear to be a single other character that "knows" him as well during the novel. My statement that Guilliman views them as the future was however, false. He does however view them as integral to Humanities salvation. Devastation of Baal also touches on this a little, but that is the view of Dante in that instance (though, by Guillimans own words, there is nobody else worthier to command the imperial forces "north" of the rift).

 

I’m surprised that no one has made a huge fuss over Cawl just making Astartes so much better without being the “all knowing lord of mankind”

 

I can only assume this is sarcasm lol, or a comment related to "in setting" reactions. Some do take issue with it in the books (Seth for example, and many older generation (as Guilliman refers to them) space marines are not sure about the idea. Again its mixed though, in the blood angels, for example, both Mephiston and Dante seem to be quite hopeful for what their introduction means).

[Guest Triszin]

I can't wait for the Tau encounter with Guilliman. The Tau are tactically great and I'd love to see them out-maneuvered by a force led directly by the Primarch.

so long as its not written by kelly.

 

*screams in horror internally*

 

 

and im actually looking forward to it.

 

especially to see how the tau respond to an Imperium that is no longer static. New equipment, new technology starting to be rolled out.

 

I just imagine a Tau fire warrior seeing Primaris marines and thinking he's kinda big, a few seconds later,  " are they bigger than I remember?"

 

then the fire warrior sees the repulsor crushing everything beneath it.

 

later a earth caste reviews the vids  and is so angry about how backwards the repulsor grav tech is.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

They will assassinate the earth caste too.

[Mellow]

I meant in universe specifically. Cawl should be held up as an example of how to do things but I imagine the rest of Mars is rather annoyed with him.

 

The repulsor tech may be backwards but it certainly stops troops getting too close (theoretically at least)

[bluntblade]

Still hoping for a Fall of Cadia and beyond novel dealing primarily with Abaddon, personally. We got Cadia Stands, but it doesn't deal with the Black Legion as much as you might think. A proper novel of the events involving the Rise of the Primarch, before Guilliman comes to Terra, would be appreciated too, especially since it could "fix" a bunch of the issues people bring up about it all the time.

I'd like one that, while not having Abaddon as the POV, makes him the focus, with one of the Abadizzle, ahem, Ezekarion as our eyes. Maybe Amurael or Vortigern, if they're still around, and a reference to Khayon.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

Still hoping for a Fall of Cadia and beyond novel dealing primarily with Abaddon, personally. We got Cadia Stands, but it doesn't deal with the Black Legion as much as you might think. A proper novel of the events involving the Rise of the Primarch, before Guilliman comes to Terra, would be appreciated too, especially since it could "fix" a bunch of the issues people bring up about it all the time.

I'd like one that, while not having Abaddon as the POV, makes him the focus, with one of the Abadizzle, ahem, Ezekarion as our eyes. Maybe Amurael or Vortigern, if they're still around, and a reference to Khayon.

No one but ADB should write about the Ezkarion. This isn’t the heresy with a pool of established names to draw out of a hate from the Card Game. Those are his characters. Stephen King shouldn’t let other authors write about Pennywise, same applies here.

[mc warhammer]

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

[bluntblade]

 

 

Still hoping for a Fall of Cadia and beyond novel dealing primarily with Abaddon, personally. We got Cadia Stands, but it doesn't deal with the Black Legion as much as you might think. A proper novel of the events involving the Rise of the Primarch, before Guilliman comes to Terra, would be appreciated too, especially since it could "fix" a bunch of the issues people bring up about it all the time.

I'd like one that, while not having Abaddon as the POV, makes him the focus, with one of the Abadizzle, ahem, Ezekarion as our eyes. Maybe Amurael or Vortigern, if they're still around, and a reference to Khayon.

No one but ADB should write about the Ezkarion. This isn’t the heresy with a pool of established names to draw out of a hate from the Card Game. Those are his characters. Stephen King shouldn’t let other authors write about Pennywise, same applies here.

I disagree there, although I'd only approve of Wraight, French and maybe three others handling any of them. And none of them touching Khayon.

 

Heck, we know there's room for newer members, even the OGs must stay with AD-B. Threxos, Skyrak and Korda are all there ready to be fleshed out.

[bluntblade]

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

Eidolon (after a grim interim) and Jubal Khan by Wraight. Archamus in French's hands.

 

Didn't Khayon himself spring from French's Ahriman books?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Khayon shows up in the last book of the ahriman trilogy, which was published about a year and a half after talon. Also mentioned in Sorceror, which still came after talon.

 

That being said, it's more of a cameo; he doesn't say a whole lot, so theres not a lot for French to get right / screw up. He's extremely proud of being part of the black legion, he's very powerful and seemingly exasperated with ahriman so he ticks all the boxes at least

[bluntblade]

Then Khayon doesn't make the list.

 

Still, I think French in particular could do an excellent job with a member of the Black Legion leadership. Particularly Vortigern, given his superb track record with the tactiturn types.

[rookie40K]

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

Dan Abnett’s Aeonid Thiel. Kyme did a great audio drama on him call Censure. Unfortunately the follow up Red Marked was a let down. I’m not a fan of Kyme’s work, but to me it was the best audio drama I’ve heard and I’ve heard them all.

[Marshal Rohr]

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

Oooh, see this isn’t Cato Sicarius. The Ezkarion are ADBs original creations. They aren’t for anyone else. He might personally give them the green light to use them, but if the studio or another author just takes the Ezkarion and does thing with them, that’s :cuss up. Especially the studio since they can’t write fluff for :cuss anymore.

[Robbienw]

Aren't the ezekarion the same thing as the chosen of abaddon though, just an earlier in the timeline version?

[bluntblade]

I figure that a sensible BL author would approach AD-B to discuss how to approach a character. Wraight seems sensible, and French is pals with him.

[mc warhammer]

 

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

Oooh, see this isn’t Cato Sicarius. The Ezkarion are ADBs original creations. They aren’t for anyone else. He might personally give them the green light to use them, but if the studio or another author just takes the Ezkarion and does thing with them, that’s :cuss up. Especially the studio since they can’t write fluff for :cuss anymore.

ha, i admire your loyalty to adb’s vision

 

maybe it’s a work thing for me, but i’m very much of the view that when you create for someone else’s IP you can’t be too precious

[mc warhammer]

 

except this is a shared universe and the authors don’t own the characters?

 

it’s an interesting point though, have any writers picked up characters created by another author and done them justice or gone one better?

Eidolon (after a grim interim) and Jubal Khan by Wraight. Archamus in French's hands.

 

Didn't Khayon himself spring from French's Ahriman books?

eidolon would be a great example if he hadn’t existed pre novel

[b1soul]

I'd be OK with Wraight, French, DB, and Abnett interpreting each other's characters...I have faith in them.

[Marshal Rohr]

I can’t thinknof a single franchise where characters written not by their creator have the same gravitas.

[mc warhammer]

I can’t thinknof a single franchise where characters written not by their creator have the same gravitas.

alan moore, warren ellis, chris claremont, frank miller and neil gaiman are all responsible for redefining characters and (for some) providing the definitive versions

 

lawrence miles was a better who and sci fi writer than anthony coburn

 

the subsequent series writers on a show i co wrote the pilot for ended up outshining my initial ideas and winning international awards.

 

art isn’t really prone to hard and fast rules

[bluntblade]

Oh, the temptation to open the can of TLJ Extra Spicy Worms.