Tallarn doctrine

[mertbl]

The doctrine says units ignore the -1 to shoot when advancing and firing assault weapons and that they can shoot anything other than heavy after advancing. I read that as no penalty for shooting anything after advancing because the rulebook stops all shooting except assault weapons at a -1.

 

Am I reading that right?

Edited October 17, 2017 by mertbl

[HenricusTyranicus]

That's how I read it too.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Basically they have Forwards for the Emperor on at all times, except for Heavy weapons.

[Lord_Caerolion]

That does seem to be the case. Advancing specifically modifies only Assault weapons hit values, not that of shooting in general. There's nothing that says Rapid-Fire/Pistols are affected in the same way Assault weapons are. Good catch.

[sirparthos]

With the Tallarn strategem, Ambush, can you choose 3 infantry units that are mounted in chimeras or do you have to choose the chimeras separately from the squads? Eg: 3 squads of mounted infantry inside their chimeras and the ambush the chimeras fire using the Tallarn doctrine and then next turn the infantry pop out and chimeras move and fire.

[mertbl]

Sirpathos, Reece made it sound like it's 3 units, and units in transports count. So a Chimera, Company commander, vet squad.

[sirparthos]

Mertbl, thanks for the clarification! :)

[CoffeeGrunt]

What Reece thinks it is isn't necessarily what it is, though. He's been wrong in the past like anyone else.

[mertbl]

Correct but with DT not being assigned to a unit anymore it becomes harder to say that unit A and it's transport is 1 choice. EVEN though it works like that during deployment. Hard telling, talk to your group, TO, god emperor.

[duz_]

Although Reece isn't always right he does hsve some good insight into intent being a play tester.

 

I think his advice of;

If there are multiple ways of interpreting a rule take the less powerful one.

 

Which in this instance would mean vehicle and unit count separately.

There have been some FAQs go the other way. At least until a FAQ drops no one will argue with this interpretation. ;)

[CoffeeGrunt]

Oh I just don't run Chimeras, I feel they're too slow, hilariously, and I can do better with an Infantry and Armour force.

[Gloomfoe]

So I could drop one chimera with 2 units inside it.....or 9 friggin tanks?!?! Thats quite a power gap. Imho, if a fully loaded chimera acts as a single unit for deployment, then it sould here as well, as its an alternative deployment.

[Halfpint100]

I am planning to outflank a punisher TC, an plasmacutioner and a cyclops demo charge in my next game. See what happens!

[duz_]

Halfpint youre a terrible person! :D

[Halfpint100]

Halfpint youre a terrible person!

 

If i wanted to be a terrible person, It would be 3 cyclopses and 3 russes with the TC 

[Vel'Cona]

 

Halfpint youre a terrible person!

 

If i wanted to be a terrible person, It would be 3 cyclopses and 3 russes with the TC 

 

 

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[TheShredder]

With the Tallarn strategem, Ambush, can you choose 3 infantry units that are mounted in chimeras or do you have to choose the chimeras separately from the squads? Eg: 3 squads of mounted infantry inside their chimeras and the ambush the chimeras fire using the Tallarn doctrine and then next turn the infantry pop out and chimeras move and fire.

 

The rules for transports state that when you set them up you can choose to start infantry units embarked in them.

 

The Ambush stratagem allows you to set up transports in reserve.

 

RAW, it seems like you could pick 3 Chimeras with the Ambush rule, and then start units embarked in them when you set them up in reserve.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Hmmm. Could I take 36 Jokaero, put them in Tallarn Chimeras, and have them outflank into my opponent's Deployment Zone?

[Vel'Cona]

Pretty sure Chimera can only hold Astra Militarum Keyword models . . . :P

[Halfpint100]

Pretty sure Chimera can only hold Astra Militarum Keyword models . . .

 

Inquisition units can go in any imperial transport. some special rule they have

[CoffeeGrunt]

Authority of the Inquisition

 

I'm pretty sure it's not legal, but I kinda hope it is because it would be hilarious.

[TheShredder]

Hmmm. Could I take 36 Jokaero, put them in Tallarn Chimeras, and have them outflank into my opponent's Deployment Zone?

 

I don't see why not.

[Reviler]

Or three stormlords full of ogryns, preists and pyskers

 

We i was thinking of one banehammer with 6 bullgryns, commissar lord, a priest and primaris and a command squad with meltas and medic supported with two taruox with infantry squads for bubble wrapping.

The tremor cannon will make sure no one escapes the pain turn two

[sirparthos]

its the 7 inches that you have to deploy them fully in that will make that..difficult :) not to say it wouldnt be awesome to do :P

[sirparthos]

 

With the Tallarn strategem, Ambush, can you choose 3 infantry units that are mounted in chimeras or do you have to choose the chimeras separately from the squads? Eg: 3 squads of mounted infantry inside their chimeras and the ambush the chimeras fire using the Tallarn doctrine and then next turn the infantry pop out and chimeras move and fire.

 

The rules for transports state that when you set them up you can choose to start infantry units embarked in them.

 

The Ambush stratagem allows you to set up transports in reserve.

 

RAW, it seems like you could pick 3 Chimeras with the Ambush rule, and then start units embarked in them when you set them up in reserve.

 

 

Alright, I am following the logic process here. When I am declaring the use of the strategem, I mark/point out the infantry units which are going to be embarked on their dedicated transports (Chimeras in my case) and keep them to the side/reserve.

 

Is that a clear and concise methodology?