lash144 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hey there, at the weekend I had my third game and a friend of mine wanted to test his 2k points tournament list. He plays chaos soup and his list contained Magnus + Mortarion. I really struggled with removing those two big boys. I made some mistakes positioning wise, so he could lock up multiple units in CC. But even with out I think I would have had problems. So your what's your favorite way for removing those Bastards? If you don't have any really good, does maybe AdMech have? (I could ally with them) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I will move this thread to the main barracks to generate more discussion points for you. :tu: When you have enough advice you can always come back and create a new list review topic based on feedback :) lash144 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Relic of lost cadia and a LOT of guns, also liberal use of the 1cp strat to re-roll hits and wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tirak Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 Manticores and the Relic of Lost Cadia. Affectionally known as a Primarch Buster Detachment. CrusherJoe and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just plain old Leman Russ Battle tanks are also really good. Basically you want high strength and damage weaponry, but AP doesn't matter so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just plain old Leman Russ Battle tanks are also really good. Basically you want high strength and damage weaponry, but AP doesn't matter so much. So maybe even an Exterminator? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just plain old Leman Russ Battle tanks are also really good. Basically you want high strength and damage weaponry, but AP doesn't matter so much. So maybe even an Exterminator? Both deamon primarchs are T7, so the strength 8 battle cannon should do more damage. Just spam a ton of anti-tank weapons spread out across your army so they can't get focused out. Lascannon and plasma gun in every infantry squads. Russes with battle cannons. Basilisks. Manticores. Plan to kill 1.5+ Mortarions per turn and you stand a good chance to kill at least one primarch quickly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 I should have mentioned that I am playing mechanised Tallarn, so Lascanons in squads won't work very well. I will run the numbers on the different weapons tomorrow or so. I am also considering in throwing in some AdMech, namely: - Rangers with Sniper rifle (he also had a Changling which made his entire 40 brimstone screen -1 to hit...) - Dunecrawler with Icarus Array or neutron laser (have to run the numbers as well) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Rapier Laser Destroyers work pretty well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman2160 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There is always the "auto-delete button" also known as the Shadowsword. BIG ROB OF DEATH, Nekroworg, CrusherJoe and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrely Wrath Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Shadowsword...erases them surprisingly fast...especially when Cadian or Catchan with Harker next to it. BIG ROB OF DEATH 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There is always the "auto-delete button" also known as the Shadowsword. Especially with Vengeance for Cadia. CrusherJoe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Do they have the titanic keyword? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4943951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Yes they do. Both of the demon primarchs do. You will have to bubble wrap though to stop a T1 warptime charge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
momerathe Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'm usually fairly relaxed about named characters, but Mortarion and Magnus in the same list stretches my suspension of disbelief. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'm usually fairly relaxed about named characters, but Mortarion and Magnus in the same list stretches my suspension of disbelief. Like I said he was testing the list for a tournament. The list was IIRC: - Magnus + Mortarion - 40 brimstone for bubblewrap - Changling to give them -1 to hit - 3-4 squads obliterators Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'm usually fairly relaxed about named characters, but Mortarion and Magnus in the same list stretches my suspension of disbelief. Like I said he was testing the list for a tournament. The list was IIRC: - Magnus + Mortarion - 40 brimstone for bubblewrap - Changling to give them -1 to hit - 3-4 squads obliterators -1 to hit doesn't work in inferno cannons :P burn him! lash144 and librisrouge 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman2160 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Here's a list that I've been toying around with. Supreme Command Detachment: 2 x Punisher Tank Commanders with 3HB's each; Company Commander with Bolt Pistol, Power Sword and Kurov's Aquilla; Shadowsword with two sponsons. 1 CP Brigade Detachment: 3 x Company Commanders with Bolt Pistol and Power Sword; 3 x Platoon Commanders with Chainsword and Bolt Pistol; 6 x Infantry Squad with Chainsword, Bolt Pistol and Voxcaster; 3 x Hellhound with Inferno Cannon and HB; 3 x Basilisk with Earthshaker Cannon and HB. 9CP 121 Power Level 2000 Points Valhallan Regimental Doctrine for both Detachments. Basilisks for range and indirect fire. Shadowsword to nuke Primarchs. Punishers and Hellhounds to delete Brimstones. Troops for massed fire and bubblewrap. Officers for orders, orders, orders for days. CrusherJoe, Halfpint100 and librisrouge 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'm usually fairly relaxed about named characters, but Mortarion and Magnus in the same list stretches my suspension of disbelief. Like I said he was testing the list for a tournament. The list was IIRC: - Magnus + Mortarion - 40 brimstone for bubblewrap - Changling to give them -1 to hit - 3-4 squads obliterators -1 to hit doesn't work in inferno cannons burn him! Good idea: burn the heretic! I don´t won´t to tailor my list, rather build my own list which I could use at some tournaments in the future. So how is the Hellhound performing in general? (haven´t used him yet) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Hellhound is great! :DEven better now its 2D6 D:1 vs 1D6 D:2, it works just as well against multi wound targets (if not better) and definitely better against hordes (as it should!) Now the worst you'll do is 2 shots vs 1 :lol: librisrouge and Halfpint100 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallarn Commander Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Hellhounds are among my top performing units this edition. I really like the fact that their damage does not go down as their wounds decline. CoffeeGrunt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman2160 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I like to pair up a Hellhound with a Punisher. Usually works as a unit eraser. lash144 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Hellhounds are sooo much fun, park in your opponents face and DARE him to destroy it, you can re-roll the exploads dice for fun :P If you have the points, add track guards. Nothing beats your opponents face when your 1 wound hellhound is still moving 12" and autohitting with its flamers, heavy flamer is a must! Do wonder if this has derailed the post though.............. However there is a use for them vs primarchs, if they are out in front, they may charge them and kill them in a turn = mortal wounds on the units within 6", or he ignores them and you roast something else with those lovely 3d6 (your taking the heavy flamer right?) autohits Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmic66 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pask + volcano cannon. Montarion lasts t1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pask + volcano cannon. Montarion lasts t1 What do you mean? Pask can only be taken in a leman russ. Do you mean a russ and a shadowsword? or Pask IN a shadowsword, which isn't possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341779-dealing-with-primarchs/#findComment-4944693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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