Help with Kharn’s Demonic Bodyguards Needed

[Rathamanti]

I want to make a silly 1000 point list for an demon themed event we’re running, and it has to only include Khârn and Khorne demons. Khârn running amok with some bloodletters, bloodcrushers and maybe a Skull Cannon..

 

I have absolutely no experience with anything other than loyalist marines, so I need some helping making this train wreck of a list idea as competitive as possible. And I would very much like some help with deciding what to summon and what to deploy and so on and so on.

 

I am currently looking at either:

 

Patrol Detachment

Khârn

30 bloodletters

10 bloodletters

6 crushers

Skull cannon

 

or

 

Vanguard Detachment

Khârn

20 bloodletters

3x3 crushers

Skull cannon

 

All units have icon and instrument. Is that stupid?

 

Are skull cannons terrible and should I rather go for a throne? Should I add a herald? Who should summon if any? How should I deploy and move? How do I play 40k? So many questions...

Edited December 27, 2017 by Rathamanti

[Marshlands]

Can you include CSM Khorne Daemons such as possessed/obliterators etc?

 

Would suggest stick to Bloodletters and crushers, neither the throne or cannon are that good.

 

Summoning requires the character to stand still which doesnt suit Khârn or other Khorne characters and risks the character so I'd probs give this a miss or keep the amount small. Id give all units the instrument but reserve the icon for very large units of Bloodletters (25-30)

 

Daemon Princes are amazing and a Herald on Juggernaught would be a good option.

 

Personally I'd either spam princes behind some furies, or spam Bloodletters or bloodcrushers

Edited December 27, 2017 by Marshlands

[Rathamanti]

Can you include CSM Khorne Daemons such as possessed/obliterators etc?

 

Would suggest stick to Bloodletters and crushers, neither the throne or cannon are that good.

 

Summoning requires the character to stand still which doesnt suit Khârn or other Khorne characters and risks the character so I'd probs give this a miss or keep the amount small. Id give all units the instrument but reserve the icon for very large units of Bloodletters (25-30)

 

Daemon Princes are amazing and a Herald on Juggernaught would be a good option.

 

Personally I'd either spam princes behind some furies, or spam Bloodletters or bloodcrushers

Thank you for the answer!

 

At the moment I would like to keep it at specifically Khorne demons, so no possessed CSM.

 

So, something like this? There’s 52 points left. What to do with those? I will not buy another three crushers just to get an extra...

 

Khârn

Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut

30 Bloodletters w. icon and instrument

3x3 crushers w. instrument

 

Is that remotely competitive? If so, how would you play the list?

Edited December 27, 2017 by Rathamanti

[Marshlands]

No worries! Depending on models could add another model to a crusher unit or split the Bloodletters into two squads and spend the points on some extra models there.

 

Not sure how competitive it is, it is very restricted so hopefully you're fighting something equally restricted. If it's other demon lists then I think it's okay as they won't be overly shooty and you'll get to fight.

 

Tactics wise it's a rush list, everything runs forward and goes for blood - so thematic at least! It doesn't seem great objective wise as you have nothing to camp (I can't see how to resolve this with just Khorne really). I think with the current list winning would depend highly upon the bloodletters reaching the opponents key units.

 

I played a similar list against a ravenwing list and it did pretty well (I lost ultimately but it was competitive). Bloodletters and bloodcrushers really are nasty when they get there, personally I prefer Bloodletters even to berserkers.

 

If you have a DP I would strongly suggest that for the 're rolls and the ability to hide behind troops until you get close. A bloodthirster might be more effective at that points level too, assuming you're opponent would struggle to kill it.

[Rathamanti]

No worries! Depending on models could add another model to a crusher unit or split the Bloodletters into two squads and spend the points on some extra models there.

 

Not sure how competitive it is, it is very restricted so hopefully you're fighting something equally restricted. If it's other demon lists then I think it's okay as they won't be overly shooty and you'll get to fight.

 

Tactics wise it's a rush list, everything runs forward and goes for blood - so thematic at least! It doesn't seem great objective wise as you have nothing to camp (I can't see how to resolve this with just Khorne really). I think with the current list winning would depend highly upon the bloodletters reaching the opponents key units.

 

I played a similar list against a ravenwing list and it did pretty well (I lost ultimately but it was competitive). Bloodletters and bloodcrushers really are nasty when they get there, personally I prefer Bloodletters even to berserkers.

 

If you have a DP I would strongly suggest that for the 're rolls and the ability to hide behind troops until you get close. A bloodthirster might be more effective at that points level too, assuming you're opponent would struggle to kill it.

Cool! So, what would you remove to get room for the DP? A unit of crushers and the herald? And how would you arm him? Edited December 28, 2017 by Rathamanti

[Chaos Lord Tom]

Daemon Prince with 2X malefic claws is the way to go I think. Talking about objective camping, you may want to add fleshounds that are pretty fast and somewhat durable with 2 wounds.

 

You may want to try this :

 

 

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Chaos - Daemons) [50 PL, 840pts] ++

 

+ HQ +

 

Daemon Prince of Chaos with Wings [11 PL, 180pts]: Khorne, Malefic talon

 

+ Elites +

 

Bloodcrushers [22 PL, 339pts]: 6x Bloodcrusher, Bloodhunter, Instrument of Chaos

 

+ Fast Attack +

 

Flesh Hounds [5 PL, 100pts]: 5x Flesh Hound

 

+ Troops +

 

Bloodletters [12 PL, 221pts]: 27x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

 

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [8 PL, 160pts] ++

 

+ No Force Org Slot +

 

Legion: World Eaters

 

+ HQ +

 

Khârn the Betrayer [8 PL, 160pts]

 

++ Total: [58 PL, 1000pts] ++

 

Created with BattleScribe

 

One quick group with DP and Bloodcrushers. One slow with Khârn and BL. FH to grab objectives. I must say I'm not very satisfied with only 5 FH. If you want to get rid of the FH you can replace them with a herald on jug or more bodies to you BL and BC.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Chaos Lord Tom

[Marshlands]

Chaos furies can also make okay objective grabbers if you have any.

 

If you're expecting to fight toughness 3 stuff such as other daemons (other Bloodletters or daemonettes), the herald would make a difference of wounding on a 2+ in the first round of combat instead of 3+.

 

Also when is the tournement? The new codex is being released in Jan and would make a difference to this list. Preview released today shows that units near to a character can reroll charges which is helpful. For this to work Khârn can't be in the demon detachment so perhaps Khârn in an auxiliary support detachment or separate patrol detacment with just 10 bloodletters (will also make a difference for other new abilities, stratagems etc)

[Rathamanti]

Daemon Prince with 2X malefic claws is the way to go I think. Talking about objective camping, you may want to add fleshounds that are pretty fast and somewhat durable with 2 wounds.

 

You may want to try this :

 

 

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Chaos - Daemons) [50 PL, 840pts] ++

 

+ HQ +

 

Daemon Prince of Chaos with Wings [11 PL, 180pts]: Khorne, Malefic talon

 

+ Elites +

 

Bloodcrushers [22 PL, 339pts]: 6x Bloodcrusher, Bloodhunter, Instrument of Chaos

 

+ Fast Attack +

 

Flesh Hounds [5 PL, 100pts]: 5x Flesh Hound

 

+ Troops +

 

Bloodletters [12 PL, 221pts]: 27x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

 

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [8 PL, 160pts] ++

 

+ No Force Org Slot +

 

Legion: World Eaters

 

+ HQ +

 

Khârn the Betrayer [8 PL, 160pts]

 

++ Total: [58 PL, 1000pts] ++

 

Created with BattleScribe

 

One quick group with DP and Bloodcrushers. One slow with Khârn and BL. FH to grab objectives. I must say I'm not very satisfied with only 5 FH. If you want to get rid of the FH you can replace them with a herald on jug or more bodies to you BL and BC.

Thank you! I like this. Flesh Hounds are some of the old school models I find charming..

Chaos furies can also make okay objective grabbers if you have any.

If you're expecting to fight toughness 3 stuff such as other daemons (other Bloodletters or daemonettes), the herald would make a difference of wounding on a 2+ in the first round of combat instead of 3+.

Also when is the tournement? The new codex is being released in Jan and would make a difference to this list. Preview released today shows that units near to a character can reroll charges which is helpful. For this to work Khârn can't be in the demon detachment so perhaps Khârn in an auxiliary support detachment or separate patrol detacment with just 10 bloodletters (will also make a difference for other new abilities, stratagems etc)

It’s in February, so it’s true; I need to think about this. Are there any pros or cons of taking Khârn in a auxiliary or a patrol with some bloodletters?

[Marshlands]

In an auxilliary you lose a cp, a patrol will require 1 unit of Bloodletters which won't get whatever benefit the codex gives to pure demon detachments. Otherwise no downside.

 

CP will probably be more useful once the codex drops so if you could fit a demon battalion and a patrol with Khârn that will probably give you benefits

Edited December 28, 2017 by Marshlands