Mushkilla Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Well, seems I've been doing it wrong, then. I guess that's what you get for trying to play with just a hint of realism ;) Do you roll armour saves before rolling to wound? :P (Always bugged me on the realism front) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5094995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Yeah I've always thought it was all shot at once kinda thing, explains why you pick targets before rolling to hit wound and save. Different mechanic I suppose. I can't wait to see all the strats and traits, going to make or break the house choices I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 IF I get the Porphyrion do all these house traits apply? Or is this still up for debate until GW clarifies? Is it just the stratagems you can’t use on forgeworld models? It’s a bit confusing for a newb like me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 IF I get the Porphyrion do all these house traits apply? Or is this still up for debate until GW clarifies? Is it just the stratagems you can’t use on forgeworld models? It’s a bit confusing for a newb like me Absolute worst case scenario, RAW the Imperial House traits will apply for sure. I don't think you'll have issue with traits at all, because you can apply [Household] on the FW stuff to be whatever you want, and we can reasonably presume this is what the traits will activate from. Again RAW, certain stratagems or relics could likely apply specifically to say 'Questor Mechanicus', which is a keyword FW Knights don't currently have. Now, in practical terms, any reasonable opponent will realise that this is silly and let you play the FW Knights as Mechanicus. You just need to be aware that anyone who is overly RAW focused has the weight of the argument with them for now - however unreasonable that actually is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 All those technicalities I would imagine they would address at least a majority of rather quickly. But how many of them are actually there once the codex is released, we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 All those technicalities I would imagine they would address at least a majority of rather quickly. But how many of them are actually there once the codex is released, we'll have to wait and see. I'd certainly hope so yeah. A number of us have mailed GW and pointed out the issue to that end. Honestly, the only real place where is could get problematic is with certain TO's really. Even then, I imagine most would be more than ok with it as long as you clear things ahead of time and don't just spring it on someone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialSquishiness Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Krast Confirmed. Reroll hits in fight phase against titanic units, plus reroll hits when charged, charging or heroically intervening Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Here's the image. Much better than the rumour. As the re-rolls to hits are against everything when charging or being charged and re-roll to hits all the time Vs titanic. Gives me hope for taranis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Re-rolls to ALL hits is quite good. Probably not quite as nice as an extra attack generally, but certainly not bad. There might even be some cases where it works out better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 It's actually better on average. Obviously extra attack has a higher Maxima. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 It's actually better on average. Obviously extra attack has a higher Maxima. Yeah, it does seem to be looking at it, albeit slightly. It'd gain more relevance over the extra attack as a profile degrades too. But, with the extra attack, you get that tasty tasty HI though... so many possible shenanigans. It's actually quite nice that it's a relatively tough choice between the two... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 That house Vulker warlord trait seems pretty legit, so the cooler heads telling people to await traits certainly prevailed. The house trait along with the warlord trait will make a pretty scary castellan so I'm very much intrigued now. Hope that plasma relic is real and we're in business! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What is the purpose of the gauntlet? Is there anything to hit where it realy matters whether it is D6 or D8? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 What is the purpose of the gauntlet? Is there anything to hit where it realy matters whether it is D6 or D8? Well, 13-16 wound vehicles certainly. Or stuff with 6 wounds and a FnP. It's not the biggest deal but more damage is always nice and it might make a difference Edit: And daemon princes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 IF I get the Porphyrion do all these house traits apply? Or is this still up for debate until GW clarifies? Is it just the stratagems you can’t use on forgeworld models? It’s a bit confusing for a newb like me Absolute worst case scenario, RAW the Imperial House traits will apply for sure. I don't think you'll have issue with traits at all, because you can apply [Household] on the FW stuff to be whatever you want, and we can reasonably presume this is what the traits will activate from. Again RAW, certain stratagems or relics could likely apply specifically to say 'Questor Mechanicus', which is a keyword FW Knights don't currently have. Now, in practical terms, any reasonable opponent will realise that this is silly and let you play the FW Knights as Mechanicus. You just need to be aware that anyone who is overly RAW focused has the weight of the argument with them for now - however unreasonable that actually is. Cool, thanks for the info. I’m looking to pull the trigger on getting one but was hesitant slightly. Didn’t want to get one and realise it’s a dud due to a rules omission. Here is hoping they release a little statement clarifying things. They have been very good so far with feedback and working towards a better game IF I get the Porphyrion do all these house traits apply? Or is this still up for debate until GW clarifies? Is it just the stratagems you can’t use on forgeworld models? It’s a bit confusing for a newb like me Absolute worst case scenario, RAW the Imperial House traits will apply for sure. I don't think you'll have issue with traits at all, because you can apply [Household] on the FW stuff to be whatever you want, and we can reasonably presume this is what the traits will activate from. Again RAW, certain stratagems or relics could likely apply specifically to say 'Questor Mechanicus', which is a keyword FW Knights don't currently have. Now, in practical terms, any reasonable opponent will realise that this is silly and let you play the FW Knights as Mechanicus. You just need to be aware that anyone who is overly RAW focused has the weight of the argument with them for now - however unreasonable that actually is. Cool, thanks for the info. I’m looking to pull the trigger on getting one but was hesitant slightly. Didn’t want to get one and realise it’s a dud due to a rules omission. Here is hoping they release a little statement clarifying things. They have been very good so far with feedback and working towards a better game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What is the purpose of the gauntlet? Is there anything to hit where it realy matters whether it is D6 or D8? People, and GW, seem to be missing the lead on the gauntlet relic. It ISN'T -1 to hit!!!!!! 8D is just nice for FnP and odd numbered wounds on vehicles. Greater accuracy for the s16 is priceless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What is the purpose of the gauntlet? Is there anything to hit where it realy matters whether it is D6 or D8? People, and GW, seem to be missing the lead on the gauntlet relic. It ISN'T -1 to hit!!!!!! 8D is just nice for FnP and odd numbered wounds on vehicles. Greater accuracy for the s16 is priceless. Good catch! Yeah that does make it look a lot more attractive then just a damage boost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Momotaro Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Copied from Spikey Bits Knight Freeblade Quality: Reroll 1’s to hit against squads of 10 or more reroll 1’s against warlord, and obsec Heroic Intervention of 6″ D3 table buffs your stats +BS or +WS, Move +1 Wounds and Morale One reroll per round Knight Freeblade Burdens: Can not be targeted by strats Reroll 6’s to hit Can only target the closest model with shooting attacks Driven to Slaughter Impetuous Nature Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What is the purpose of the gauntlet? Is there anything to hit where it realy matters whether it is D6 or D8? People, and GW, seem to be missing the lead on the gauntlet relic. It ISN'T -1 to hit!!!!!! 8D is just nice for FnP and odd numbered wounds on vehicles. Greater accuracy for the s16 is priceless. Cool, you are right! At the moment I am looking for some support for my Ad Mech because I got bored of them lately. I hope maybe a Gallant and 2 Armigers are cheap butwill help me to get out of my deployment zone and eat some firepower. Hope the old Knights get some extra taste in the Codex other than just point cost reduction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 People, and GW, seem to be missing the lead on the gauntlet relic. It ISN'T -1 to hit!!!!!! 8D is just nice for FnP and odd numbered wounds on vehicles. Greater accuracy for the s16 is priceless. This is indeed one of the most important parts about this. They have not informed us yet if warlords get +1 ws/bs so they are 2+. They should get that but they have not stated that yet so this makes the gauntlet even more precious. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 This is indeed one of the most important parts about this. They have not informed us yet if warlords get +1 ws/bs so they are 2+. They should get that but they have not stated that yet so this makes the gauntlet even more precious. According to war of sigmar https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2987#disqus_thread There is no way of improving BS except for that freeblade buff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5095418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Did anyone catch what the taranis tradition/warlord trait/stratagem/relic were on Warhammer TV? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5096227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicHat Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Taranis: Said they ignore regular damage on a 6, not MW. missed WL trait. Stratagem, Darkest hour; Destroyed knight, on a 4+ he stands up with D3 wounds left. Relic, thermal cannon Fury of Mars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5096271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Taranis: Said they ignore regular damage on a 6, not MW. missed WL trait. Stratagem, Darkest hour; Destroyed knight, on a 4+ he stands up with D3 wounds left. Relic, thermal cannon Fury of Mars. Omnissiah be praised! That's so much better than the rumours. Basically makes a 24 wound knight a 28 wound knight (against anything but mortal wounds). The get back up stratagem combined with machine spirit resurgent is awesome too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5096309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicHat Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Taranis: Said they ignore regular damage on a 6, not MW. missed WL trait. Stratagem, Darkest hour; Destroyed knight, on a 4+ he stands up with D3 wounds left. Relic, thermal cannon Fury of Mars. Omnissiah be praised! That's so much better than the rumours. Basically makes a 24 wound knight a 28 wound knight (against anything but mortal wounds). The get back up stratagem combined with machine spirit resurgent is awesome too. If he got the rules correct. He misspoke some times I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345706-imperial-knights-house-traits-stratagems/page/11/#findComment-5096313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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