Indefragable Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Back on topic: Approx how many Space Wolves are left after the events of this novel? I don't know if we have hard #'s, but proportions could be useful. i.e. 20% was lost at Prospero, another x % at Alaxxes, and now z % remains. Plus there were the two (?) successful engagements in the Sol System that the Wolves fought in during the events of Praetorian of Dorn. Which two engagements were those? I don't recall any specific mentions in PoD though I may have memory gaps. It states as they go to confront Horus that there are 40,000 of them left after the casualties sustained in the above mentioned engagements. They lose many thousands in the attack on Horus, and them thousands more at Yarant afterwards before they are rescued by the Raven Guard. Truly a shattered legion after Yarant. ...which makes Horus' Siege of Terra all the more possible. I know SW fans hate the above facts, but from a certain perspective, it's kind of a sign of respect. That it takes that many efforts to shatter the VI Legion and the fact that their presence on Terra could have been a major factor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5131844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I'll have a look through Wolfsbane later to find the names, but Russ mentions two engagements on the edge of the Sol System they undertook during their resupply before the battle with Horus. They're counted as victories but with a cost, as it meant there were fewer wolves to fight Horus with. Personally I want to see these two battle fleshed out as I want to see the Wolves kick some butt and win once in awhile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5132020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I'm mostly keen to see the incident where a force of Wolves did in an EC Millennial. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5132056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 @bluntblade Where is that engagement mentioned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5132193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 It's a wee one mentioned in an FW book - Retribution, I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5132242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Aye, now that you mention it, yes...I believe it's one of the many small-scale engagements mentioned in passing by Retribution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5133320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Spoiler .... Slaves to Darkness redeems the outcome of Wolfsbanr. Turns out Russ stuck Horus good. Horis survives the wound Russ gave him by the skin of his teeth. I must say the performance of the 6th during the Horus Heresy has been disappointing. Perhaps we might get one more novel before the Heresy ends ... I dought it. At lest they survived the next 10000 years. Our new hero’s such as Lukas, Ragnar and Grimnar are cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Spoiler .... Slaves to Darkness redeems the outcome of Wolfsbanr. Turns out Russ stuck Horus good. Horis survives the wound Russ gave him by the skin of his teeth. Yay Russ dint kill Horus even tho he had the chance making everything after his direct fault, but at least he caused him some pain yay! Truly a redemption for the Emperors executioner who did not execute the Arch traitor. truly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Wasn't the whole point of prospero to sideline two legions? Like in the original fluff, the wolves didn't do anything for the rest of the heresy. Now, with the retcon of how much support they had, BL needed them to get to the point of uselessness through other methods. Shame that so much of the wolves Rep is built off of events we don't get to experience like the xenocide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 @ nagashnee Aye...Wolfsbane was an unnecessary mess and Russ' hesitance did not make much sense. Felt forced. Seems some SW fans only care that Russ managed to hurt Horus. But Russ only did so thanks to the Emperor's magical soul spear macguffin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 You take what you get. .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Just as Iron Hands fans will have to cling to things like Little Horus. Though to be fair, the Wolves do also get that awesome moment in Wolf King that no one seems to talk about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And breaking Prospero PB was a great book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And breaking Prospero PB was a great book I've heard the argument that the Wolves werent really required for Prospero and any Legion could have done their role, as the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence did the real lifting. While there are cool moments (Fafnir vs the Lion, the Watch Pack vs the Night Haunter, Bear's stand on Prospero...), the Heresy tells of so many more moments where the Wolves dropped the ball hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 The Space Wolves are terrible. They lose nearly every engagement. I think the only one I remember them winning was when Magnus attacked Fenris. I believe all they do is fight. Take losses. Survive somehow and then go back to the Fang and drink ale to brag about how well they did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And breaking Prospero PB was a great book I've heard the argument that the Wolves werent really required for Prospero and any Legion could have done their role, as the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence did the real lifting. While there are cool moments (Fafnir vs the Lion, the Watch Pack vs the Night Haunter, Bear's stand on Prospero...), the Heresy tells of so many more moments where the Wolves dropped the ball hard. That's daft. Part of the Ten Thousand and the Silent Sisters couldn't have taken that world without the VI. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And breaking Prospero PB was a great book I've heard the argument that the Wolves werent really required for Prospero and any Legion could have done their role, as the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence did the real lifting. While there are cool moments (Fafnir vs the Lion, the Watch Pack vs the Night Haunter, Bear's stand on Prospero...), the Heresy tells of so many more moments where the Wolves dropped the ball hard. That's daft. Part of the Ten Thousand and the Silent Sisters couldn't have taken that world without the VI. Thats not what I said. What has been said was the Wolves Legion wasnt required, any other Legion (say the BA, UM or IF) could have done the job as the SoS and the AC did the crucial lifting, which was nullifying the sorcerous advantages of the Thousand Sons. At that point it became a pure Legion conflict. Re-read A Thousand Sons and what little of Prospero is in Prospero Burns. The Wolves are being slaughtered on nearly every page of the battle until the SoS and AC intervene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Apart from when Russ comes along and starts howling and for some reason his howl starts overloading the TS and their abilities. Not quite sure why Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZebraM Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Isn't the point of the Wolves HH storyline that they do get broken as a legion which A) forces them to reevaluate how they function as a legion and B) in part leads to them backing down in the arguments over the Codex because they don't have enough marines to reform their legion or go head to head with the Pro-Codex Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Apart from when Russ comes along and starts howling and for some reason his howl starts overloading the TS and their abilities. Not quite sure why because several books have made it a point to so this. Hypocrisy and the likeness between the sons and wolves. That Russ hides behind a false personae, to put his brothers and those around him at ease, and to think little of him. That russ only pretends to be a barbarian, but in fact he is a brilliant thing, like his brothers, That RUss is the same as magnus, a extremely powerful psyker, yet russ denies this aspect of himself. wolfsbane, I think, setup the beginning of the path for russ in accepting that he is a psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Wolf King adds the wrinkle that Russ has been taught in its use by the Emperor. Take that and his PB dialogue and it becomes clear that there are nuances in the Wolves' stance that others miss, especially Magnus. As a result, incidentally, Nikaea emphatically becomes Mortarion's victory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5142951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 @ Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Well, I'd say that the SW were not "required", but they got the job done. Yes, any other reliable legion with the support enjoyed by the SW probably could have pulled it off, but Russ was probably the best choice for facing Magnus (his howl and anti-psyker aura) EDIT: Even though I said "breaking Prospero", it should be noted that Prospero's defences were already half-broken by the time the attackers arrived...so any attacking legion would have benefited tremendously from that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5143100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 It’s all about belief though. Russ knows he’s a psyker but he believes his power comes from Fenris. His shamans are the same. If they believe their power is from Fenris then they have some form of control. Uncontrolled sorcery is what Magnus is guilty of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5143141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 so. i liked it sorry everyone i really, really liked it maybe it’s because i’m not invested in any particular take. i don’t have an idea on how the characters should be portrayed or which side should win...only that the writer makes me enjoy whichever portrayal they have chosen to show us maybe i have no taste but the fight between horus and russ damn near made my eyes water. there was something very heartfelt at work in haley’s understated writing as for the russ ruins sangunnius’ big moment at the seige...i’m not so sure. the wound given to horus by his brother didn’t read to me so much as a physical one, more a spiritual one. he exposed horus’ soul so horus the warmaster now heads to terra with a small part of horus lupercal alive again sanguinnius can still provide the physical wounding needed for the emperor, but russ opened up something different maybe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5143996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Slaves to darkness furthers the last plot point there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346015-wolfsbane-hh49/page/20/#findComment-5144120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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