Delta.Skies Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Based on the comments I would say if you go pure DW then run vets for versatility, the point drop helps. If you are running them as allies, then I would go primaris for their single purpose abilities. Depending on the upcoming strategems would determine if you would go watch captain or master. But just my opinion from reading every comment and speculations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just logged in to the game stream at T3. Is it as bad as it looks? Looks like it'll be a T4 table or concede of DW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just logged in to the game stream at T3. Is it as bad as it looks? Looks like it'll be a T4 table or concede of DW? I tuned out after about the 17th unnecessary sound effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 This guy Simon really played badly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 This guy Simon really played badly Indeed. I mean, he only wrote the bloody thing, it's not like he should be expected to show mastery of it, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just to be the voice of reason, the codex writer doesn't need to be an expert in the game necessarily to design something cool/fun/effective. It really all comes down to how the army factors into the current rule set and environment. Therefore, if the codex is good/bad/okay it'll be more due to the factors of the other preexisting armies than anything one writer did. Also, to judge the effectiveness of the codex based on a single demonstration game played with a smorgasbord army is rather daft, putting it lightly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Plus, just because he wrote the 'dex doesn't mean he necessary had arbitrary say on point costs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just to be the voice of reason, the codex writer doesn't need to be an expert in the game necessarily to design something cool/fun/effective. It really all comes down to how the army factors into the current rule set and environment. Therefore, if the codex is good/bad/okay it'll be more due to the factors of the other preexisting armies than anything one writer did. Also, to judge the effectiveness of the codex based on a single demonstration game played with a smorgasbord army is rather daft, putting it lightly. Indeed, agreed on every point - I was only kidding :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrinNfool Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Well unfortunately all we got for the streamed game was a showcase of why DW was/is terrible in the hands of a novice. More so than most armies out there you have to be on point with knowing what to do and when to do it with DW. Wish they could have found someone who actually plays the army to showcase it but eh c'est la vie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizzt79 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I think we are getting a good codex....but Simon could have put some more effort IMHO....loosing like that is quite shameful :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrwaud Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just to be the voice of reason, the codex writer doesn't need to be an expert in the game necessarily to design something cool/fun/effective. It really all comes down to how the army factors into the current rule set and environment. Therefore, if the codex is good/bad/okay it'll be more due to the factors of the other preexisting armies than anything one writer did. Also, to judge the effectiveness of the codex based on a single demonstration game played with a smorgasbord army is rather daft, putting it lightly. I know, I know... it just would have been encouraging to see them used to their upmost. He sounded like he was having fun after a long week (and maybe a pint or two or three)... ;) Time will tell how it turns out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 About that game, just geez, it looked like the nids still had their entire army in play. I'm very disappointed nothing about the existing rules were looked at, but my pre-release opinion is that we are out of trash tier and firmly in below average tier now. We're at least probably better off than GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I had to step away throughout the middle of the battle. What strats were used? Anything that seems new that wasn't in the preview? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I’m not entirely sure. While I don’t think it equates to a bad Codex, that game was very disappointed. For the rules writer he had the knowledge and skill level below some very rough Youtubers. I can’t take anything from that game. It was a miss mash of various, discombobulated units. There was no strategy, and he struggled to remember even very basic rules which caught me off guard. I almost felt like his opponent was making excuses for him while he struggled through the game. The Nids did not come to the table with anything I’d consider top tier, yet they had really lost alarmingly little by the mid point. All I could possibly garner from the game is ... Termies as a unit still don’t seem to work too well, and it’s still very easy to overdo toys and suffer for it. This is 8 th, chaff still has a massive impact in 40k. Still I take nothing bad from the codex from that game... I just got nothing from it ( and was a little taken back by the codex writers lack of,..understanding) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Cut him some slack. These rules are all so new and exciting that even the writer wouldn't be able to remember them. Ok, that's enough from me today. I'm going to continue building my terminators for display. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 He was bad, forgot to use SIA, came to conclusion that perhaps he should've brought his frag cannons mid-game and I got rather dehyped. If this was a stream that was supposed to get me excited for the new release then he was as incompetent at advertising as he was at playing, especially since most of the time he was speaking of Space Wolves rather than DW. If the person that wrote the codex doesn't know how to play it then I don't think he did a good job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I would never base any decisions on a WHTV batrep - they pretty much are always a mess FWR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikev Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It was a terrible battle report and sounded so ill prepared that he slammed a list together from studio models at the last minute. And forgot the frag cannon, our most iconic and powerful weapon. It wasn't until his opponent asked if he was using any command points that we saw any strategems. And very little information on the contents of the Codex. I'll confess, I'm worried now. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It was a terrible battle report and sounded so ill prepared that he slammed a list together from studio models at the last minute. And forgot the frag cannon, our most iconic and powerful weapon. It wasn't until his opponent asked if he was using any command points that we saw any strategems. And very little information on the contents of the Codex. I'll confess, I'm worried now. :/ Those are actually reasons not to be worried, though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I wouldn't lose any sleep over it now . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macabre Slanneshi Prince Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I asked in the chat and they said he was a former rules writer who now works at White Dwarf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I wouldn't lose any sleep over it now . He was animated and excited, so that's something. Wasn't my cup of tea, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I asked in the chat and they said he was a former rules writer who now works at White Dwarf. So was that before or after the Deathwatch codex was written ... but seriously, everybody has off days. I'm usually pretty good with rules but some days I just blank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 New Zealand preorders up:https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/searchResults?N=710747498+3206404541&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3ANZ_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_NZ_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[product.startDate+<%3D+1525519320000+and+product.endDate+>%3D+1525519320000]]https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/searchResults?N=710747498+3206404541&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3ANZ_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_NZ_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[product.startDate+<%3D+1525519320000+and+product.endDate+>%3D+1525519320000]I really hope this is pricing error because I see something really garbage here. Unlike DA/BA boxes, that had Intercessors bundled with new Primaris upgrade sprue for pennies, DW boxes with two year old upgrade sprue have full price of sprue slapped on top of bundle. The very same sprue that was free with all DW kits 2 years ago! Thankfully I still have like 5 of them so I don't care, but I already can see people skipping on DW bundle and just buying regular Intercessors, and GW going "DW doesn't sell"...Also, CE cover outrage starting in 3... 2... 1... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Also, CE cover outrage starting in 3... 2... 1... I like it personally. But the only CE codexes I'll ever buy are for Blood Angels or Sisters of Battle. Shame they are not re-releasing the dice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346704-codex-dw-next-week/page/13/#findComment-5072978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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