Aothaine Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 The shotgun is unchanged aside from a 2 point reduction. Also, not sure if your primaris comment was because you liked the deathwatch primaris, or because of the shotguns, it was a strange segway, so just in case, the shotgun is normal vets. The shotgun is specifically good vs T3 armies with 4+ or worse saves, and/or as a cheapish (by deathwatch standards) flexible squad vs assault heavy hordes, think a poor mans frag cannon squad. On topic, whats the cost of bolt rifles and stalker bolt rifles (intercessor ones, not the vets stalker bolt gun)? Totally understand your confusion. Yeah I was just surprised I didn't remember the DW shotguns being 16" but I still prefer the Primaris Deathwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 Bolt rifle 1pt Stalker bolt rifle 3pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Bolt rifle 1pt Stalker bolt rifle 3pts Pumping dozens of Hellfire rounds into enemy monsters: Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 No Thunder Hammer on Termies Caps? Nooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris521 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Any notable stratagems that were not in the previews? I believe we know about: change mission tactics that shot that does d3 (?) MW the + 1 to wound the anti eldar, tau, tyranid, and ork ones you have also shown the deep strike one presumably there is a 1/3 relic one as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnis_arcanum Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Would still like to know If blackstar got potms Also is there any change to auspex array? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Would still like to know If blackstar got potms Also is there any change to auspex array? Page 2, post #49 Answer is no to potms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 What are the WL traits besides the CP Regen that everyone is going to always use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 The only WL you will take is the CP regen one, there is one to boost a warlords weapon damage by 1 - this ties in with the banebolts relic is it allowed to post photos of the pages of stratagems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 The only WL you will take is the CP regen one, there is one to boost a warlords weapon damage by 1 - this ties in with the banebolts relic is it allowed to post photos of the pages of stratagems? We would prefer you didn't, at least not directly to the site. Avoids some of the key trademark entanglements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I suppose the big question is: what is missing? It seems legitimate to think DW could use any Marine equipment, perhaps with the exception of certain chapter specific things (and even then...), like the Dark Angels relic land speeders, or the Space Wolf dropships. But the normal Marine stuff. No - Thunderfire Cannons - Techmarines - Apothecaries(?) - Attack Bikes Etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 All good won't post any more pics. IMO you can't give Deathwatch everything, then there's no point to the Space Marine codex really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I suppose the big question is: what is missing? It seems legitimate to think DW could use any Marine equipment, perhaps with the exception of certain chapter specific things (and even then...), like the Dark Angels relic land speeders, or the Space Wolf dropships. But the normal Marine stuff. No - Thunderfire Cannons - Techmarines - Apothecaries(?) - Attack Bikes Etc? According to the Table of Contents pics from BoLS - you're right about all the above with one caveat - there are Primaris Apothecaries available. Also none of the standard SM flyers, which is a bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Don't know if this has been answered but can you mix primaris weapons in a squad? 3 bolt rifles 2 stalker, same with hellblasters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Don't know if this has been answered but can you mix primaris weapons in a squad? 3 bolt rifles 2 stalker, same with hellblasters? Screenshots from a few of the videos on the Intercessors squad uses wording similar to: "Any Intercessor or Intercessor Sgt may replace their bolt rifle with auto or stalker" Which is different than the "all models" wording from C:SM. Same with Hellblasters and Inceptors added to Intercessor squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskie Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Vets are down a point from the Index then? Or is it that storm bolters are cheaper now? Index Vets are 21 with SBs which is why I ask. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 At least Deathwatch have access to all the fun Forgeworld units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Vets are down a point from the Index then? Or is it that storm bolters are cheaper now? Index Vets are 21 with SBs which is why I ask. :) Vets lost 3 points down to 16 - Stormbolters gained 2 points up to 4 (double SIA tax for double the barrels or some such nonsense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlangWhanger Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Can dreadnoughts take missile launchers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Vets are down a point from the Index then? Or is it that storm bolters are cheaper now? Index Vets are 21 with SBs which is why I ask. Vets lost 3 points down to 16 - Stormbolters gained 2 points up to 4 (double SIA tax for double the barrels or some such nonsense). Wow that's rough. There's a lot of excitement going around right now about how strong SB/SIA combo is, but it sounds like paying 20 ppm will mean we'll have to be extra careful in wielding this glass cannon . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Vets are down a point from the Index then? Or is it that storm bolters are cheaper now? Index Vets are 21 with SBs which is why I ask. Vets lost 3 points down to 16 - Stormbolters gained 2 points up to 4 (double SIA tax for double the barrels or some such nonsense). Wow that's rough. There's a lot of excitement going around right now about how strong SB/SIA combo is, but it sounds like paying 20 ppm will mean we'll have to be extra careful in wielding this glass cannon . . . Indeed. Deep strike, transports, and storm shields are probably necessary for protection. Primaris are durable enough to hold the field until the glasscannons drop, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Can dreadnoughts take missile launchers? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinisher4Ever Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Does the codex have the tactical flexibility stratagem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I believe it does and may be the most useful codex to have it, deep strike a unit then split them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskie Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Vets are down a point from the Index then? Or is it that storm bolters are cheaper now? Index Vets are 21 with SBs which is why I ask. Vets lost 3 points down to 16 - Stormbolters gained 2 points up to 4 (double SIA tax for double the barrels or some such nonsense). Holy crap, wow! Thanks for the info. Now I'm wondering if Stormbolters are really necessary since the baseline Vets are so affordable... 3 fewer points per model is a huge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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