b1soul Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Magnus is a tragic hero. Prominent flaws and good intentions... If one returns to the light, it should be him, but it would deserve a full series of novels. At the end, he wouldn't be buddy-buddy with the Imperium or Guilliman, but he realises that Chaos should not be allowed to consume the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 He didn’t even wreck the webway portal on purpose - he wanted to warn the Emperor about the coming Heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 In fact, he probably already realises that Chaos is inherently evil from a human perspective and should be staved off. He's more of an unwilling thrall of Chaos, consumed by bitterness at the Emp and the Wolves. His worldview is probably nihilistic and hopeless, a twisted state in which he recognizes that certain things are evil but perversely wants those things to happen, perhaps as punishment for his own sins and those of the entire galaxy. Blinded by hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 On the other hand, Magnus suffers more than any other Primarch (barring perhaps Horus) from Informed Attribute Syndrome (genius variant). He never considered that there might be a good reason the Emperor had previously kept the Webway secret from him, never thought to reach out to even the Scars. Whether that's a failure to think through all his options or a desire to have his choices with the Librarius (which the Scars and Blood Angels deemed reckless) validated, it's uncertain. I don't think any Traitor Primarch should be redeemable by 40K. Too many populations sacrificed to the Ruinous Powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Magnus definitely isn't redeemable, given the "good" shards of him have been killed or banished, leaving the Crimson King dominant, and he sure ain't looking for forgiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I am trying to think if there are actually any traitor Primarchs I actually like - nah . LoL, pretty much all of them have redeeming qualities. It just depends on your point of view and where you're standing at the time. For example, Lorgar's redeeming quality isn't that he's just some insane daemon primarch; he's a man that has had his faith rewarded with eternal life and powers that mortals can't possibly comprehend. Because of this, he doesn't just quietly pray to himself. He wants everyone to know the way to true salvation. Here's another example: When Typhus left Mortarion after the Scouring, Morty didn't force him back into his service. He let typhus roam the Galaxy and do his own thing. He long ago realized that seeking to control other people (like the emperor did) is no different than being a tyrant. This is a man that has learned from his mistakes as well as the mistakes of others. Even with all of his self loathing, he's learned from his mistakes and, ultimately, they made him stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpAcEGhOsT095 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 It's not so much about letting Typhon do his own thing, as it is Typhon won't listen to his father. He thinks Mortarion is a jackass for still trying to apply the scientific method to the warp. Mortarion loves numerology and gets sass from Typhon about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 Shards and salvation - y'all made my week and congrats for that. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Traitor Primarchs are certainly awesome and have interesting tales, but, ultimately, if/when they all die, I will not grieve for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Guilliman is the most relatable Of the Traitors, I grieve the fall of Fulgrim. He died when the Laer Blade was given to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Something I both love and find annoying about Guilliman is the fact that he's essentially giving freshman-level civics lessons to the rest of the Imperium who are just shocked by it. Guilliman: So you realize that, if we increase the standard of living, less people would try to join chaos or betray the Imperium right? Rest of the Imperium: WHAT KIND OF BRILLIANT STATESMANSHIP IS THIS?!! NO ONE BUT YOU COULD COME UP WITH SUCH COMPLEX SOLUTIONS MOST WISE PRIMARCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I don't think it's so much that normal humans couldn't think of solutions, but rather that the Imperial rulers and other bodies of influences won't come up with an agreement to a solution; and just maintaining a constant state of unchanging. So then, no ones dare not making Guilliman's words as the law, the flesh and blood of the Emperor himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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