veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 It's just a general idea at the moment I haven't completely figured out the 1500 portion of it yet as I am still testing in games. I have noticed that larger primaris teams are not faring well and may end up with more kill teams than originally posted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Watch Master Watch Captain TH/SS 5x Intercessors 2x Hellblasters 5x Intercessors 2x Hellblasters 5x Intercessors 2x Hellblasters 5x Intercessors 3x Aggressors Contemptor Mortis 2x TLC Leviathan 2x SC = 1490 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 It's just a general idea at the moment I haven't completely figured out the 1500 portion of it yet as I am still testing in games. I have noticed that larger primaris teams are not faring well and may end up with more kill teams than originally posted Don't mind me, just get carried away with concepts sometimes :P I think one reason why your primaris get ripped so hard is you just don't have the supporting alternate targets for mass fire against you, and once your two dreads are gone, or people have weapons not really worth firing at them, not much else too shoot at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 I know what you mean, I'm finding it so hard to create a balanced list with this new codex. So many toys and not enough boys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Perhaps some squads of vets with just bolters and a HB and treat them as normal tac squads would help you out some? resist the urge to go for mass dakka with Storm bolters or stalkers and keep them basic and expendable objective grabbers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Another approach might be just taking advantage of Strategems and mission tactics. That’s my approach anyway. Basic dreads are quite threatening in deep strike. Remember in 7 th it was so expensive to do this and dreads are better now. Heck the Redemptor is more tempting now than ever and trust me I’ve used that junker many times with Ultra and would have killed to deepstrike it. The allied piece can be viewed as a cheap 5cp that look after your zone, or in my case, provide the heavy hitting Onager freeing up my elite DW to be.... elite. I really feel a lot of the choices are illusions, just keep it simple. I personally love Primaris models but they can be really inefficient if you’re not careful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea-People Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 What are you equipping the scions with? As much plasma as possible most likely. I'm gonna try out one 10 man squad with all plasma and two 5 man squads with melta. It might be a while but I'll be sure to post something when I get to test out the list! I would go all plasma for better range and more shots. I want to, but then the rest of my list would be seriously lacking in the anti-tank department. Without some melta, my anti-tank would consist of: -4 hellblasters in a kill team - 4 frag cannons split among two kill teams - plasma from the scion squads (with lucky dice) I just think in my situation the melta is a better choice. I at least have some heavy hitting guns that can be supplemented by plasma and frag in the rest of the list. This is why we test things of course. If the melta is not up to snuff I'll certainly give even more plasma a shot! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Sea people, perhaps you shoud have your own thread for this, just so we don't get confused. Happy to shoot the breeze there as well :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 So back to the scouts batallion, best to go Ultramarines with Telion we think? This is purely for backline objectives and cp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashc Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Telion gives you something unique and he's cheap, but he isn't incredible. If you want staying power to sit in deployment zone then raven guard become very tough to shift at range. Iron hands tactics could be good if you expect those scouts to end up closer than 12" - it works out better than the RG tactic under those circumstances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5094941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just for backline, I would go Raven Guard as well. Cap and Lt, 2 5 man scouts with camo cloaks and a Hvy bolter each for hellfire, then either 5 more scouts with a ML for flakk, or some tacs for a bit of manuverability and not having to rely on cover and cloaks to keep you safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I don't see much value in the Cpt and Lt for scout squads. I think with the changes to first turn assaults scouts are not nearly as useful now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I don't see much value in the Cpt and Lt for scout squads. I think with the changes to first turn assaults scouts are not nearly as useful now. He want's to use them for back line objective holders and character sniping. Cap and LT provide the most re-rolls to deliver that objective. In the greater scheme of things, with Scouts being used as DS denial, I would agree with you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I just don't see much value in this battalion for the reasons I have given. The scouts might deployed away from the HQ - thus Tellion is a great choice if you want to do this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Well another thing I was thinking as the 2nd battalion for backfield camping and to utilise our flakk/hellfire stratagems is: Librarian Watch Captain Artemis (or similiar) 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Heavy Bolter 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Heavy Bolter 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Missile Launcher =576pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 For the price of Artemis, I'd rather another watch master for the re-roll misses, C-SM librarian powers are pretty situational as well, not a big fan of them either, would still prefer a LT. As for stalker bro's, I am a big big fan of your setups (add in the free chainsword as well though). No sniping, but thats still 24 shots being piled out, plus the option to use both MW stratagems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Watch Master is a good idea, what would you take instead of Libby? If only we could take a Lt that would be ideal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Watch Master is a good idea, what would you take instead of Libby? If only we could take a Lt that would be ideal Oops, forgot we were talking about DW again. :D Probably a chaplain, more 4+ invul and cheapest option. Yo0u don't get the BS 2+ of a captain, but if you resist the urge to tool him up, another captain would be good as well. Have 2 squads stay near the watch master and have the cap leading the other squad in case you need to move around a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Alright this is what I've come up with Librarian Watch Master 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Heavy Bolter 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Heavy Bolter 5x Veterans - 4x Stalker, 1x Storm Shield, 1x Missile Launcher Watch Captain - TH/SB, Bane Bolts Watch Captain - TH/SS, Beacon 5x Intercessors - Bolt Rifle, 4x Hellblasters - Plasma Incin 5x Intercessors - Bolt Rifle, 4x Hellblasters - Plasma Incin 5x Intercessors - Auto Bolt Rifle, 3x Aggressors - Flamestorm Contemptor Mortis - 2x Twin Autocannon Relic Leviathan - 2x Storm Cannon, 1x Hunter Killer = 1999 pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 hmm, BRB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 How attached to that mortis DN are you?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 I only use it to unlock the Leviathan, open to changes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I don't have IA, so how exactly does uning their stuff work in a normal list? I know you can only have 1 relic class thing for every normal thing, but that's about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veelo Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 So you can only have the same number of Relic units as normal units in that battlefield role. If you want a Relic Leviathan you need another Heavy Support to allow it and the Contemptor Mortis fills that role. Only other options we have is Hellblasters or Land Raiders from the codex and Contemptor Mortis, regular Mortis and Rapiers from FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwalker Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 So, essentially they are just additions to any standard codex, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/347752-running-a-small-allied-battalion/page/2/#findComment-5095608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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