Captain Idaho Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 I'd like Marines to be particularly powerful at close ranged firepower, with decent performance at range and close assault. The balance being elite numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5118263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I'd like Marines to be particularly powerful at close ranged firepower, with decent performance at range and close assault. The balance being elite numbers. I'm in absolute agreement with this sentiment. I think the work you and others are doing here is great. I'm working on my own ideas to contribute. I'm very much in the same thought space you are in when it comes to marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5118448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I'd like Marines to be particularly powerful at close ranged firepower, with decent performance at range and close assault. The balance being elite numbers. I'd like marines to be decent at all 3 and then the chapter tactics/strategems etc. improve one of those areas significantly. Or, in the case of say Ultramarines a more flexible (but temporary and less powerful) boost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5119507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Yeah; 7 and 8 out of 10 across the board, compared to specialist armies that can reach 9-10 out of 10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5119536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 One little tweak that would help base marines in shooting would be to adjust the AP of standard bolt weapons. (Pistols, guns, storm, Hurricane etc.) Either AP-1 (Heavy Bolter to -2???) OR, if deemed OP, why not AP-1 on wound rolls of 6, like Shuriken Catapults? I find it galling that sharp spinny discs have better armour penetration than rocket propelled explosive bullets! I also had a think about Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer Frag Assault Launchers, it was dumb to lump them in with the launchers on the Ironclad and the Centurions, those units are designed to get into combat, Land Raiders are not. So, I would suggest renaming them 'Land Raider Assault Launchers' and reword them to say 'on the turn in which any unit which successfully charges after having disembarked from a Land Raider Crusader or Redeemer inflicts D3 mortal wounds.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5119547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 @Captain Idaho i reread the first post. i'm really liking the changes, especially for landraiders being allowed to fall back and shoot. makes no sense that marines who only come from certain geneseed have figured out how to do this but drivers of the the heaviest tank in the codex cannot. i pray these changes get done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5119560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 It's been a team effort. Even before feedback in this thread, everything I prepared was based upon opinion of the community I compiled and researched. The extra information here is great. I need to update the top post with latest changes I just haven't time right now with the kids etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5120105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceGuyAdi Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Idaho, when are you planning on putting this to GW? I don’t know what their lead time is for Chapter Approved, just concerned you don’t miss the boat as there have been some great suggestions in here. Unless they’re already watching... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I still doubt the results of this thread will have any effect at all on GW ... but it was a nice topic to talk about and we collected some great stuff at least. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Idaho, when are you planning on putting this to GW? I don’t know what their lead time is for Chapter Approved, just concerned you don’t miss the boat as there have been some great suggestions in here. Unless they’re already watching... It's possible I sent it a few days ago... ;) The FAQ window has been cancelled but I'm persistent. I got a return from customers services confirming they passed it onto the design team. Hopefully they didn't dismiss it out of hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Best wishes - will be awesome if they listen... and thanks for all the work. /thumbsup Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 GW are aware that Marines are underperforming and also sales have slowed for them. This gives me some hope regarding Chapter Approved. They're also aware of the current Eldar faction domination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Source for slowing sales? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 worst case scenario the suggestions make it in time for the next marine book after space wolves. although they just could experiment by using a less famous codex astartes compliant chapter and put the rules in either white dwarf or online Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Source for slowing sales? I spoke with guys who run a nationwide store. I suppose it could just be them but I suspect the pattern is repeated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 worst case scenario the suggestions make it in time for the next marine book after space wolves. although they just could experiment by using a less famous codex astartes compliant chapter and put the rules in either white dwarf or online If that's the worst case then I gladly take it. It's what I'd consider among the better cases lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 worst case scenario the suggestions make it in time for the next marine book after space wolves. although they just could experiment by using a less famous codex astartes compliant chapter and put the rules in either white dwarf or online If that's the worst case then I gladly take it. It's what I'd consider among the better cases lol maybe i'm being a tad bit optimistic here but maybe a new marine book just in time for a xmas release? five months should be more than enough time to produce a solid codex and possibly some new units if they are not going to bother improving the rules of units they are not keen on selling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Yeah that does sound very optimistic. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Rumours I've heard are they'll be doing a primaris only marine book in 2019 that discards most of the older range. Lets face it, GW might be happy to tell us that they want us to use all our old marine range I think in our gut we all know the primaris are the future. As much as I like my older marines and their toys this scuttlebutt does feel like it has the ring of truth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I'm totally expecting a Primaris only Codex eventually. Not sure it'll be this soon tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
justicarius6 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 The pessimist in me tells me that GW are allowing the old marine range to wither and die away on purpose so as much as I'd love them to be kept competitive I just can't see it happening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 The pessimist in me tells me that GW are allowing the old marine range to wither and die away on purpose so as much as I'd love them to be kept competitive I just can't see it happening. The pessimist in me thinks the entire game system is on the way out. Kill Team is going to be much more lucrative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5121821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 How do people think about the Relics? Personally I think the Teeth of Terra, Primarch's Wrath and Shield Eternal are pretty good. Armour Indomintus is so so and the Burning Blade is rubbish. A Relic Blade blows it out of the water and for free you can have Teeth of Terra which is superior. I also don't see anyone using the Tome of Malcador. (The Chapter specific Relics need work too but let's focus on the generic ones). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5122508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Primarch's Wrath and/or Teeth of Terra are in every list I make. Never seen any reason to bring other relics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5122511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Relics definitely need a rework. Most of them aren't that attractive a choice so you end up taking the same ones in every game. That's a problem most armies have tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348125-codex-space-marines-amendments/page/12/#findComment-5122532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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