Tyrannicide Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Anyone care to drop some details on the White Consuls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Anyone care to drop some details on the White Consuls? Most of the Chapter left Sabatine to defend Cadia during the 13th Black Crusade. The characters haven't heard of them since. Sabatine is home to serious civil unrest the remaining forces are unable to quell since defending the fortress monastery remains the priority. Sabatine is then invaded by the Death Guard and the Word Bearers, the White Consuls fight a losing battle to the end, culminating with the death of their Chapter Master in the bowels of their fortress monastery. Edited September 15, 2018 by Vesper Tyrannicide 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Thanks, Vesper! Is there any insight into their Chapter culture? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Thanks, Vesper! Is there any insight into their Chapter culture? The thing that springs to mind immediately is that they practice having two Chapter Masters at the same time. One defends the fortress monastery, and one attends their response force. The one that dies in LoS is of course the sitting home world Chapter Master. I think that info was available before in the Deathwatch RPG, but it was news to me while reading this book :P Edited September 15, 2018 by LetsYouDown Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I think it (twin chapter masters) pre-dates the Deathwatch RPG, albeit only by a year or so - one of the (many) great things about this book is that the plot ties together with Anthony Reynolds' excellent Word Bearers novels. Dark Creed shows what happens to most of the White Consuls, while Lords of Silence has the perspective of those left on their homeworld. Really love how Wraight was able to incorporate (and not invalidate) so much older work. It's an achievement on par with ADB's exploits. Kelborn, Orwell84, Draakur and 7 others 10 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I loved that stuff, too, Marshal Loss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I think it (twin chapter masters) pre-dates the Deathwatch RPG, albeit only by a year or so - one of the (many) great things about this book is that the plot ties together with Anthony Reynolds' excellent Word Bearers novels. Dark Creed shows what happens to most of the White Consuls, while Lords of Silence has the perspective of those left on their homeworld. Really love how Wraight was able to incorporate (and not invalidate) so much older work. It's an achievement on par with ADB's exploits. Oh man, I was just about to come in here and ask how it maintained the stuff from dark creed. I'm picking this up for sure Petitioner's City and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Changing topics for a second. Is anyone surprised Eliathada isn’t an absolute choking fug like Barbarus and isn’t also just a Nurgle Garden? I mean it has civilization, farms, pilgrims, etc. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Re Chaos... Supposedly everything is canon and nothing is canon in BL, so no authourial interpretation of Chaos is wrong or fails to "get it" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5167987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Re Chaos... Supposedly everything is canon and nothing is canon in BL, so no authourial interpretation of Chaos is wrong or fails to "get it" Nah. When I went on my pilgrimage when certain posters claimed that this new 40K was 'less grim' I found the opposite. The setting endures, exactly as it has been, if not even worse. Chaos has not changed in any meaningful way in its representation or underlying concepts, since I came into the game around 3rd. Liber Chaotica remains the 'truth' as far as I'm concerned, and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 There is no absolute truth in the 40K sandbox...authours are free to play around with various ideas Thought that was the official BL stance Petitioner's City and DukeLeto69 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 There is no absolute truth in the 40K sandbox...authours are free to play around with various ideas Thought that was the official BL stance I had that impression also. There must be some parameters that authors have to work within (such as the nature of the four known chaos Gods). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I’m sure there is a minimum set of standards that must be met. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Authors are free to write what they want, and it’s just as valid as any other piece of lore. That is Black Library’s stance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 There is no absolute truth in the 40K sandbox...authours are free to play around with various ideas Thought that was the official BL stance That's certainly the surface level take, but its not sufficient to describe how the setting (which IS a setting) exists and functions, and is communicated via books. Idea's are played around with, retcons (Iron Hands, Black Templars anyone?) and thats fine. When people make hilariously outlandish statements however and try and buttress them with 'the setting is open and there is no truth' well thats just people reaching for a conclusion that supports their own warped view of the setting. I'd love for people to show otherwise, but I looked, at the dawn of this 'new era' which...is very much like the previous era, only with bigger Marines. Nothing has changed about the fabric of 40K. It has not gained any 'noble bright' attributes. It is 40K. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5168752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Authors are not free to write whatever they want - that is simply ridonkulous !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Yes, they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Yes, they are. Well then how lucky we are, that I've not seen a book playing out the What If fever dreams we see around here eh? Almost like there are themes and touchstones within a shared setting that are simply understood by those who create for it. ;) Phoebus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 IIRC..."nothing is canon, everything is canon" is a principle supported by ADB and other BL writers Yeah, no BL writer is gonna make Chaos into rainbows and butterflies...but within a very rough framework (a dimension based on the emotions of the galaxy's sentient beings), authours can do whatever they want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 It certainly is something ADB has mentioned many times. What a wonder it is, that the vast majority of fiction falls within what the majority of the community would agree is canon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 There may not be Rules, but Wraight has written about how writing for an IP means you have a lot of established lore to take into account so you don't upset too many people or produce something that isn't verisimilitudinous (yeah, I've been waiting for a chance to use that). BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Frankly, my favourite version of Chaos has always been Abnett's Primordial Annihilator caladancid, Petitioner's City, BLACK BLΠFLY and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 It’s really not controversial to say the authors are free to write whatever they want to write about. Insisting there are some kind of ‘Rules to Be Here’ is wrong since every author has said there are none. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) Frankly, my favourite version of Chaos has always been Abnett's Primordial Annihilator Me too!!!! And how he presents Chaos as far more diverse - and not beholden to the tabletop range of Chaos - has always been such a pleasant feature of his writing, something which ofc applies to also how he writes the Guard, how he writes the Inquisition, how he writes Elder, how he writes everything. I wish other writers could ... get away(?) with this, or be let loose? It’s really not controversial to say the authors are free to write whatever they want to write about. Insisting there are some kind of ‘Rules to Be Here’ is wrong since every author has said there are none. Except for explicitly corporeal sexual content - @ADB has written about having to take an orgasmic reaction from his Night Lords books. I also think with regards to the universe, common sense with regards to the IP's conventions applies, but that this common sense is light touch presumably. However, all our theorising is ... just that, theorising. We need proof, but even then it would only be a snapshot, reflecting an individual moment. Doubtless with changes at BL, changes to its place in GW, changes with editors, and changes with authors over now two decades means that there has probably been several different policies, procedures or simply preferences if not official policies with regards to how authors 'use' the setting or pay heed to IP conventions. Edited September 19, 2018 by Petitioner's City Sandlemad 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Didn’t ADB self-censor that part, too? IIRC, he said he pulled it out himself, no one said ‘Aaron do this or be damned’. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348972-the-lords-of-silence/page/6/#findComment-5169227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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