HH Series ending soon. Siege will be another series

[Mellow]

A trilogy would be OK with me. Everyone loves a trilogy. But I realise it will be more. My poor poor wallet will feel very unhappy if it moves to double digits.

[Captain Idaho]

Been thinking about the Heresy Series ending and I think there is a taste for "historical 40K" so we might see another series set in other times, but I reckon (A D-B might correct me on this) it'll be more like The Beast Arises series where we get a bunch of novels on a specific theme/campaign.

 

One mega series is far to much of an endeavour as it requires constant work with authors as a team who often want to be working on other stuff too.

 

I'd like a Crusade series mind. Set from the beginning of finding Horus. Maybe a Primarch/Legion mini series set in the crusade. Oh and a Scouring series! (Personal wishlist)

[A D-B]

Been thinking about the Heresy Series ending and I think there is a taste for "historical 40K" so we might see another series set in other times, but I reckon (A D-B might correct me on this) it'll be more like The Beast Arises series where we get a bunch of novels on a specific theme/campaign.

 

One mega series is far to much of an endeavour as it requires constant work with authors as a team who often want to be working on other stuff too.

 

I'd like a Crusade series mind. Set from the beginning of finding Horus. Maybe a Primarch/Legion mini series set in the crusade. Oh and a Scouring series! (Personal wishlist)

 

Everyone wants the Scouring.

 

I'm one of the few that doesn't. Not much really happens that either hasn't already been covered, or isn't a damp squib addendum to the Horus Heresy. Oh, you'll get some great novels out of it, and there are some awesome one-off events, but awesome events making great novels doesn't need to be a series. 

 

I'm sure it will be; it's the one thing everyone asks for at panels, signings, etc. But I don't know that I'd be interested in working on it. 

[Knockagh]

Given that the seige is a new series, surely we could have a book (or two or three) from a human perspective, an imperial army member or a member of officialdom.

The heresy series sticking rigidly to marine action was without doubt the main reason I lost interest in it. I feel it was a bad decision, the tallarn books being the only exception and they felt like a breath of fresh air. It wasn’t like every book we got on marines was essential and many of them were crap.

We are bound to get an Eldar book (Gav Thorpe I hope has his quill scratching to this already) but we could also have an arbites novel focused on the general population and their fears, a book focused on the fleet centred around naval personnel. Perhaps even one focused on a pre unification tribe who see Horus as a chance to regain their territory taken by the emperor. Frightened officials who argue that terra should surrender.

If it must be 5 or more books lets hope they use the opportunity of a new series to spice it up a bit and not just pump of volume after volume of marine on marine stuff.

I would love to see Nick Horth get a go at one, his city of secrets is superb. Justin D Hill is another I would love to see in the mix. Let’s kick out the two authors we know have given absolutely nothing to the series, Annandale and Kyme and give some bold new scribes a go. Horth and Hill have both proven they can do human soldiers exceptionally well.

A new flavour for a new series

[Captain Idaho]

 

Been thinking about the Heresy Series ending and I think there is a taste for "historical 40K" so we might see another series set in other times, but I reckon (A D-B might correct me on this) it'll be more like The Beast Arises series where we get a bunch of novels on a specific theme/campaign.

One mega series is far to much of an endeavour as it requires constant work with authors as a team who often want to be working on other stuff too.

I'd like a Crusade series mind. Set from the beginning of finding Horus. Maybe a Primarch/Legion mini series set in the crusade. Oh and a Scouring series! (Personal wishlist)

 

 

Everyone wants the Scouring.

 

I'm one of the few that doesn't. Not much really happens that either hasn't already been covered, or isn't a damp squib addendum to the Horus Heresy. Oh, you'll get some great novels out of it, and there are some awesome one-off events, but awesome events making great novels doesn't need to be a series. 

 

I'm sure it will be; it's the one thing everyone asks for at panels, signings, etc. But I don't know that I'd be interested in working on it.

Well if the gaping hole need filling I'll fill your shoes ;)

 

I'd actually like a Crusade era series, but set about 3-10 per Legion, focussed on a particular faction.

[mc warhammer]

crusade era novels...where everyone just keeps forgetting to mention legion 2 and 11

[DarkChaplain]

I actually agree with AD-B on the Scouring. There's been so much coverage here and there, glimpses left and right, I feel we'd be retreading the same ground or just missing out on plenty of key elements. We've got Curze's execution, Amit and the Flesh Tearers trying to figure things out and vent their grief, Guilliman getting sliced by Fulgrim, Bjorn fighting alongside Russ, Russ leaving, Bjorn getting entombed, Ahriman performing the Rubric, the forming of the Black Legion, Fabius' thing at the Canticle City, Skalathrax, the founding of the Scythes of the Emperor, various perspectives of Caliban, the Fallen, the history of the Imperial Fists successors...

 

So much that people associate with the early post-Heresy era got in there somewhere, sometimes in short stories, sometimes in Primarchs novels, sometimes just a page or two in Traitor Legion material. Aside from some few elements (like Dorn's death), most of the juicy bits were worked into Black Library fiction at some point or another. What remains is mostly a "the Traitor Legions fled into the Eye and lost most their retreating battles against the resurgent loyalist Legions", which doesn't sound particularly engaging without retcons and major additions, which people would then also decry as being filler like they have with the HH itself.

[Sandlemad]

There's less of a solid central thread to the Scouring as well. Lots of different stuff pulling in different directions; here's the Dark Angels knocking over traitor homeworlds, here's the war against Perturabo's empire, etc. Less structure.

 

The creation of the codex could work as a logical endpoint for a Scouring series but the battle of Tsagualsa happens after that, for example, and it'll never be as much of a final 'this is what you've been waiting for!' moment as the siege of Terra. You have the various wars and events but they all sort of taper off as the traitors get driven into the Eye in dribs and drabs, the loyalist primarchs start disappearing, and then the codex just sort of happens.

 

A 'series' of novels/anthologies/whatever as vignettes spotlighting particular episodes - like the Primarchs books, perhaps - rather than throughline series could possibly work.

[mc warhammer]

the scouring (for me) still has some of that untouched mysterious feeling that the heresy used to have. i also vote leave it, except for the odd flashback

[helterskelter]

The scouring has the Iron Cage, ultras vs everyone, caliban getting blown up because loyalty, codex shenanigans (which could probably be covered in the Iron Cage novel), could probably squeeze Skalathrax under that series to give the traitors a bit of love, slap in a novels worth of shorts called the vanishing and you've got a few quid out of folk

[Knockagh]

I’ve little interest in the scouring, it’s just more of the same

[Ascanius]

Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing but I wonder how BL could have approached the HH differently? I think there was an ongoing tussle between whether the HH was a setting or a story. Perhaps if they had started out with sub branded series from the beginning it could have worked (and been established) as a setting rather than a roughly chronological story (that by necessity jumps about due to change in character focus etc).

 

I agree that this would have been ideal, but obviously they didn't know when they started that it would sprawl to over 50 volumes in the main series alone.

 

There's precedent in the tie-in fiction world for renumbering and recategorising books when they're republished. I read a lot of Dragonlance novels when I was a kid, and they had trilogies such as Tales, volumes 1-3 and Tales II, volumes 1-3 that were subsequently republished just as Tales, volumes 1-6.

 

It's probably not worth Black Library's time, worrying about that sort of thing now, but I can imagine a future where they at least curate e-book bundles of specific storylines.

[Indefragable]

The Scouring is the hidden tale of the galaxy that gets us from "oh noes! The Emprah is hurtz!" to the way the Imperium is 10,000 years later.

 

How the depths of despair are turned to the hope for a new future with the traitors finally purged from the galaxy for good.....only for the seeds of decay to to blossom one century at a time.

 

Ozymandias' stone did not sink into the sand overnight.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

There should be some new novels for the Scouring. I’d love one for the Iron Cage.

[Mellow]

I don’t mind a few novels on the scouring but only the key events. I really don’t want drawn out boring bore fests making me bored. I had enough of that with scattered Legions and Vulkan novels.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Yeah agreed - just some of the key battles. I mean the loyalists deserve it... HH has mostly been a traitor grind to say the least .

[Felix Antipodes]

While I have always called for a Scouring series, I agree it should be as a setting rather than a HH arch narrative style. Have the talent write the stories they want within "the setting" without making it into one big interconnected soap opera.

[DukeLeto69]

I can see arguments for and against doing the Scouring but quite frankly I believe that is all academic because if there is a chance to making a marketable product that will sell then GW/BL will do it. I think there will be demand for a Scouring series.

 

However, it does need to be shorter/tighter and definitely not a sprawling epic like HH turned into (even though it covers a longer time period).

 

I can see it either as a "loose" setting where the authors can pitch to do any story they are drawn to and these are released as and when written and not in any roughly chronological order...

 

Or..

 

Take a The Beast Arises approach and keep it very tight and focused and not more than 10-12 books (which will depend on how the Siege of Terra mini series does).

[DukeLeto69]

 

Been thinking about the Heresy Series ending and I think there is a taste for "historical 40K" so we might see another series set in other times, but I reckon (A D-B might correct me on this) it'll be more like The Beast Arises series where we get a bunch of novels on a specific theme/campaign.

One mega series is far to much of an endeavour as it requires constant work with authors as a team who often want to be working on other stuff too.

I'd like a Crusade series mind. Set from the beginning of finding Horus. Maybe a Primarch/Legion mini series set in the crusade. Oh and a Scouring series! (Personal wishlist)

 

 

Everyone wants the Scouring.

 

I'm one of the few that doesn't. Not much really happens that either hasn't already been covered, or isn't a damp squib addendum to the Horus Heresy. Oh, you'll get some great novels out of it, and there are some awesome one-off events, but awesome events making great novels doesn't need to be a series. 

 

I'm sure it will be; it's the one thing everyone asks for at panels, signings, etc. But I don't know that I'd be interested in working on it.

I suppose it could be argued that parts of your Night Lords trilogy (flashbacks) would fall within the Scouring right?

[Brother Lunkhead]

Although part of me would like to see a Scouring series, I think I would be disappointed, and it is after all a mopping up action after the Heresy. Sure there are some major battles and the Loyalists finally strike back (this is what appeals to me), but like after too many Star Trek series and movies I need a break, say a decade or three . Maybe a anthology or two to poke our heads in and take a quick look, but no more.

 

I don't think it's a bad thing to give the fans some important chunks of Imperial history to speculate over and maybe inspire some epic game campaign scenarios and some nice fan fiction. I for one don't feel the urge for GW and BL to delve into everything that to date has not been covered in excruciating detail. 

[b1soul]

My preference would be...

 

1. Overcoming Sol "ring of iron"

 

2. Overcoming Terran orbital defences...huge struggle for orbital supremacy and resulting Traitor bombardment

 

3. Planetfall and siege of outer Palace...Eternity Wall and Lionsgate Spaceport fall, and Sigismund starts to terrorise Traitor champions a la Achilles in The Iliad.

 

4. Emperor's Children and Slaanesi cultists engage in civilian beat/torture/slaughter campaign...Arik Taranis, Ghota, other surviving Thunder Warriors plus civilian guerillas, other elements fight against depredations (perhaps Severian or members of Howl of the Hearthworld partake)

 

5. White Scars (and allies?) counterstrike against Death Guard (and allies?) at Lionsgate Spaceport...Shiban and Jubal make names for themselves

 

6. Potential novel about Vulkan and Salamanders (hopefully not by Kyme this time...please). Also, what on are the custodes up to?

 

7. Traitors penetrate deeply into Palace, Sanguinius defends the Ultimate Gate, Sigismund continues to spank Traitor champions

 

8. Vengeful Spirit...finale

[ZebraM]

I'm more interested in at what point will BL choose to end the Siege set; Will it end on the Emperor destroying Horus or will it end on the Loyalists routing the Tratiors from the Solar System?

[Scribe]

I'm more interested in at what point will BL choose to end the Siege set; Will it end on the Emperor destroying Horus or will it end on the Loyalists routing the Tratiors from the Solar System?

 

I am not a Writer, but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn.

 

To me, the book should end with ADB having the Emperor slay Horus, and be found by Dorn. The last 'spoken' words having The Emperor instructing Dorn on where he needed to go, that the dream of the Imperium is dead, that the loyalists have failed, and Humanity is doomed.

 

Then a short epilogue for those who do not know that the Traitors break, and run like the cowards they are to live in actual Hell, for the rest of Eternity.

 

Fin

[Sete]

I just want Sigismund kill streak.

[Scribe]

I just want Sigismund kill streak.

 

Thats in my Book 2. :p